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From "Erik Hatcher" <jakarta-...@ehatchersolutions.com>
Subject Re: [IMPORTANT!] Fix Ant 1.5 Support for JAXP [Was: XMLCatalog.java -- patch breaks bootstrap.bat Yikes!]
Date Sat, 25 May 2002 16:20:20 GMT
Bootstrap worked from Gump last night:

http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/gump/latest/bootstrap-ant.html

Stefan?  Did you adjust it to work?  Or did it already include JAXP?

What should we do so that bootstrap works from CVS though?

    Erik


----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Hatcher" <jakarta-ant@ehatchersolutions.com>
To: "Craeg Strong" <cstrong@arielpartners.com>; <ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [IMPORTANT!] Fix Ant 1.5 Support for JAXP [Was:
XMLCatalog.java -- patch breaks bootstrap.bat Yikes!]


> Like I said, I'm +1 on including Xalan simply because it makes the tasks I
> use frequently automatically work with no other
configuration/installation.
>
>     Erik
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craeg Strong" <cstrong@arielpartners.com>
> To: "Erik Hatcher" <jakarta-ant@ehatchersolutions.com>;
> <ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 8:54 PM
> Subject: [IMPORTANT!] Fix Ant 1.5 Support for JAXP [Was:
XMLCatalog.java --
> patch breaks bootstrap.bat Yikes!]
>
>
> > Hello:
> >
> > I have found the thread where the choice of JAXP/xerces/xalan jar files
> > to include in Ant 1.5 was discussed:
> >
> > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=101838850500001&r=1&w=2
> >
> > Stefan Bodewig was the one who expressed reservations about including
> > the Xalan jar files,
> > but he did not explicitly veto the idea.  His concern [ Stefan correct
> > me if I am wrong here ] is that
> > we should minimize the number of third party jar files that we ship with
> > b/c then you
> > have the problem that they get out of date-- right?  Each of the
> > respective Apache projects:
> > Ant, Xerces, and Xalan are on different release schedules, so by only
> > including _absolutely necessary_ jar files,
> > you minimize the problem.
> >
> > Here is my take on the issue.   Ant release 1.4.1 INCLUDES jaxp.jar
> > That means that my new "XMLCatalog.java" code
> > compiles just fine using Ant 1.4.1
> >
> > By removing jaxp.jar from the bootstrap class path in 1.5, we have
> > REMOVED APIs that used to be there.   My code was
> > simply the first place to demonstrate this fact.  There is no telling
> > what ELSE we might break.  For example,
> > third party tasks that used to compile now won't, etc.
> >
> > Because "jaxp.jar" _was already_ a part of Ant release 1.4.1, I think
> > the easiest, quickest, and most conservative approach
> > is simply to put it back.
> >
> > As far as I know, all that would be required is to add it back to the
> > classpath in "boostrap.bat", "bootstrap.sh", "build.bat", and "build.sh"
> >
> > Otherwise, I would be even happier if this provided the impetus for
> > bundling Xalan with Ant as well.   Then I believe all we would need
> > would be "xercesImpl.jar", "xml-apis.jar" and "xalan.jar"  (xml-apis.jar
> > obviates both jaxp.jar and xmlParserAPIs.jar, right?)
> >
> > Erik, Stefan, Magesh-- what do you think?
> >
> > --Craeg
> >
> > Erik Hatcher wrote:
> >
> > >Yikes!  I was concerned about that when I saw the additional imports,
but
> > >because I have Xalan in my bootstrap classpath it worked I guess.
> > >
> > >I +1'd including Xalan as its such a fundamental piece to things like
> > ><junitreport> and <xslt> - but I think at least one committer veto'd
it?
> I
> > >still support including it.
> > >
> > >    Erik
> > >
> > >>Hello:
> > >>
> > >>Responses to previous email are down below, but a bigger issue has
come
> > >>up.
> > >>
> > >>I never realized until this very moment that the xmlParserAPIs.jar
that
> > >>comes with
> > >>Xerces does __NOT__ contain the full JAXP library.  Instead, they
> > >>chopped it in half
> > >>and only included the pieces that are actually implemented by xerces.
> > >>This is bad.
> > >>
> > >>XMLCatalog as I have now modified it makes use of the OTHER pieces of
> > >>the JAXP library,
> > >>although it does NOT require actual implementations of the Transformer
> > >>classes
> > >>(that is, neither Xalan nor Saxon have to be on the path).
> > >>
> > >>The problem is, bootstrap.bat / boostrap.sh FAIL to build Ant now
> > >>because of the missing
> > >>APIs.   >:-(
> > >>
> > >>What is the best way to fix this?    I remember there was some
> > >>discussion about including
> > >>the xalan jar files in Ant/lib:    xalan.jar and xml-api.jar
> > >>
> > >>Of course, the Xalan xml-api.jar includes the ENTIRE jaxp library, so
> > >>there would be
> > >>considerable overlap with xerces  xmlParserAPIs.jar
> > >>
> > >>Another alternative is to include  jaxp.jar  from JAXP 1.1   At only
> 28K,
> > >>it does not add much to the size of the ant download.
> > >>
> > >>Again, however, there would be some overlap with the xerces
> > >>xmlParserAPIs.jar
> > >>
> > >>Anyway, it seems pretty reasonable to me that Ant would include a
> > >>jaxp.jar library,
> > >>as it is intrinsically dependent on much of JAXP.   Otherwise, we
would
> > >>have to do something
> > >>horribly ugly like breaking up XMLCatalog into two pieces.  yuk.
> > >>
> > >>Thoughts?
> > >>
> > >>--Craeg
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
>
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