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From "James Cook" <>
Subject Re: AW: Whoa Bessie... Was -- Re: [Proposal] AntFarm
Date Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:46:00 GMT
I concur that there should be a requirements document and the proposals should address the

And for Christof, I would add that I view the proposals as more of a distributed brainstorming
session, not a fractioning of the Ant community. It's a healthy thing.


Subject: Re: AW: Whoa Bessie... Was -- Re: [Proposal] AntFarm

How about the good old fashioned way:

1. A requirements specification that spells
   out WHAT the software must do, without
   ANY indication of how it should be done.

2. A design document that specifies HOW the
   requirements will be met via a proposed

I suspect the reason we have so many proposals
in the form of code is that code is fun to write.
Specifications and design documents are NOT fun
to write. But, they are a better way communicate
a software effort than trying to compare multiple
proposals in the form of different codebases.

Christoph Wilhelms wrote:
> Sorry, but I have to give a short statement from the view of an Ant user and
> "extender"!
> I think it is very simple what we all want and what we dont want. Please
> correct me if I am wrong!
> We want:
> * Just ONE Ant!
> * A reliable running, fast, innovative Ant (just like Ant 1.2 is now)
> * An Ant beeing supported, discussed and improved (just like it has been up
> to now)
> * Many Ant-Developers that work TOGETHER (on the current and future
> versions)
> * A clear line! We want to see in wich direction Ant is going! This is
> mandatory
>   for everyone who wants to EXTEND core ant like ANTIDOTE or VAJ-Integration
> or
>   JBuilder-Integration etc.
> We don't want:
> * Competetive Ant-Developers ( ;-) )
> * Many different Ants (Myrmidons, Antfarms, Anteaters, etc.) parallel! Don't
> misunderstand
>   me: the proposals are on one hand good for improving Ant - on the other
> hand there is
>   NOBODY who can compare the proposals with each other (lack of time). IMHO
> at the moment
>   the proposals INTERUPT Ant development-process!

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