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From "Joshua Davis" <>
Subject RE: Did somebody say Shut up and Write? :)
Date Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:33:55 GMT
So... when do we see updates to the proposals? ;->

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Duncan Davidson []
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 2:47 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Did somebody say Shut up and Write? :)
> On 12/19/00 9:30 PM, "Joshua Davis" <> wrote:
> > Both proposals have merit, but niether one discusses what the
> problem to be
> > solved is.
> Hrm. Ok. That should be more obvious, yes.
> The problem to be solved is cross platform building and packaging of Java
> based projects. That was the original goal -- and is still the clearest
> problem to be solved.

Great! That is just the type of simple statement needed.

> All other problems that can be solved are tangential to that original
> problem case. While it would be nice to use Ant to build c/c++ files --
> actually Configure/Make serve some really good needs here that just don't
> happen in the Java world. There's no reason why all of this can't be done
> with Ant as currently implemented even, however it's not the original
> problem domain. Same with XML/XSLT/Website builds. Possible, but it *is*
> important to know what the highest order bits are.

The XML/XSLT/Website is a bit more closely associated with Java, for us J2EE
server side geeks. :)

> An installer should be a separate
> program/product/entity. Where there's synergy, yes, good, but otherwise,
> it's not a high order bit.

Good.  In every organization I have worked in, this has been a very separate
step in the development process.  However, there's nothing stopping anyone
from employing some clever code re-use.

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