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From "Siberski, Wolf" <>
Subject RE: [MEETING] January 12th. SF Bay.
Date Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:07:13 GMT
I agree completely. There is no rule that could
give such a meeting any decision-making powers.
It only can be an informal meeting where
information is exchanged and discussed.

Also IMHO the date is quite inappropriate.
First the requirements document should be done,
then everyone should publish his design document(s),
then we should discuss them a bit on ant-dev,
and finally someone may organize a meeting where 
(hopefully) the best parts of all
proposals are merged together to form
the new direction for Ant.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simeon Fitch []
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 3:41 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [MEETING] January 12th. SF Bay.
> --- Jon Stevens <> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> > 
> > Ok, I'm going to apologize up front for those of you who can't make it
> > due
> > to being geographically challenged. :-) I'm sorry, but if you can't make
> > it,
> > it won't be the end of the world, we will post a summary of the meeting
> > online. I promise.
> I have to say I feel uneasy about this approach, as I think it is
> irresponsible to have a significant meeting on the future 
> direction of Ant
> in a forum that excludes a large number of interested 
> parties. There are
> other "higher bandwidth" options out there other than 
> physical meetings.
> Even an IRC room could fit the bill. A chat room with voice support? A
> conference call? A moderated exchange of ideas (i.e. an 
> online symposium).
> Just because an in-person meeting is convenient for the SF Area people
> isn't sufficient grounds for choosing this approach.
> I know you said that decisions made in the meeting wouldn't 
> be final, but
> the weight of a "meeting consensus" will be quite difficult 
> to counter. The
> message you are sending out is "If you aren't part of the 
> posse in the SF
> area, you can't help direct the future of Ant."
> Go have your meeting, you have that right, and I guess I 
> should be grateful
> that you at least told the group about it. I just want to be 
> on the record
> as protesting it.
> sim
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