Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact ant-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 15715 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2000 22:22:56 -0000 Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com (32.97.136.228) by locus.apache.org with SMTP; 27 Nov 2000 22:22:56 -0000 Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA60034 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:56:19 -0600 Received: from d04nm301.raleigh.ibm.com (d04nm201.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.38]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.95) with ESMTP id RAA52914 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:22:35 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: cvs commit: jakarta-ant/lib - New directory To: ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: "Sam Ruby" Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:22:47 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D04NM301/04/M/IBM(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 11/27/2000 05:22:54 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: locus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Peter Donald wrote: > > You may want to have a look at a message that Stefano Mazzocchi > sent to cocoon-dev list on what it takes to be a successful > free/open source software project. Basically it crystalized into > three factors; > 1. low cost of entry > 2. good ideas > 3. bad implementation I agree with this. I'm not sure how this relates to the subject line, however. Low cost of entry = click on a URL and get everything you need. Or run a system such as the one that Jon described in a recent email. An example of high cost of entry is checking in an XML parser which may be incompatible with other products one may be using. My two cents: pulling together a coherent set of binaries and associated source that is certified to work together is a GOOD THING. If you would like to check them into a frozen branch then that would be OK too. Mixing snapshots from discrete points in time and a moving baseline is not. > Compare the projects Turbine, Cocoon and BSF. Not enough data points. > BSF has a higher cost of entry and has good code Actually, all that indicates is that I haven't had enough time to do the job right. - Sam Ruby