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From KC Baltz <KBa...@responsenetworks.com>
Subject RE: Duplicates from Jesse E Tilly
Date Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:01:42 GMT
well, the apology did not come in twice, so maybe the problem is gone.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Tilly [mailto:JTilly@hoteltools.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 4:30 PM
> To: 'ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org'
> Subject: Duplicates from Jesse E Tilly
> 
> 
> I apologize.  I don't know why my messages are duplicating 
> themselves.  I
> *know* I am not sending it twice.
> 
> Jesse
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Tilly [mailto:JTilly@hoteltools.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 2:40 PM
> To: 'ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org'
> Subject: RE: Dependencies between classes
> 
> 
> I think we'll al be disappointed if we implement this.  The 
> compilers and
> the compiler spec itself change.  They may get even "smarter" 
> in terms of
> dependencies and render any intelligence in Ant void or, even worse, a
> hindrance.  Any changes we make should follow closely with 
> the intentions of
> Sun and their specifications for the compiler.  We run into 
> the same issues
> with where optimization is located.  The concepts of object oriented
> compilation, how byte code is handled and deployment will, 
> for the near
> future, be of some contention as the "kinks are worked out".  
> What if javac
> suddenly wants to compile straight to a WAR or JAR?  How 
> would dependencies
> be handled outside of the compiler?  
> 
> Anyway, just brining up points as to why this is a very 
> difficult design
> decision.
> 
> Jesse
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthijs Hollemans [mailto:matthijs@virtualunlimited.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 5:57 AM
> To: ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Dependencies between classes
> 
> 
> Hi Pete,
> 
> [class dependencies]
> 
> > I have plans to work on a cc task and will need it then and 
> thus it will
> > probably make it into abnt some how - it is a matter of 
> determining the
> > least expensive and most elegent way to do it thou ;) Make 
> a proposal how
> > you would do it and see how it is received ;)
> 
> Well, I don't know what Conor's implementation did, but I was 
> thinking about
> looking at the symbol tables from the actual .class files to 
> see which other
> classes they refer to. That way you use the dependency 
> information that the
> compiler already generated, so you don't have to scan through 
> the source
> files yourself (like jdeps does). Extracting this information 
> from .class
> files is pretty easy; I knocked up a simple 10-line test 
> program to do so
> yesterday using the JavaClass library (of course, without 
> this library it
> would be a lot harder ;-).
> 
> Matthijs
> 

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