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From Jeff Payne <>
Subject Re: It's very hard to become a committer on the project
Date Sun, 16 Sep 2018 16:19:14 GMT
I agree that Jira could be better utilized. I read the original conversation on the mailing
list about how Jira should be used (or if it should be used at all) and I'm still unclear
about why it was picked over just using github issues. It refers to a dashboard, which I've
yet to investigate, but Jira is much more than just dashboards.

If this project is going to use Jira, then:

1) It would be great to see moderation and labeling of the Jira issues by the main contributors
to make it easier for people to break into contributing.
2) It would also be nice if the initial conversation of whether or not an issue warrants development
at all happened on the Jira issue, or at least some acknowledgement by the main contributors.
3) Larger enhancements and efforts or vague suggestions still get discussed on the dev mailing
list before a Jira is even opened, but after that, the discussion moves to the Jira, with
a link back to the mailing list email for reference.
4) The discussion on the PR is only concerned with HOW the change/fix is implemented.

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From: James Meickle <>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:46:58 AM
Subject: Re: It's very hard to become a committer on the project

Definitely agree with this. I'm not always opposed to JIRA for projects,
but the way it's being used for this project makes it very hard to break
into contributing. The split between GH and JIRA is also painful since
there's no automatic integration of them.

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:29 AM airflowuser
<> wrote:

> Hello all,
> I'm struggling finding tickets to address and while discussing it on chat
> others reported they had the same problem when they began working on the
> project.
> The problem is due to:
> 1. It's very hard to locate tickets on Jira. The categories are a mess,
> versions are not enforced. each use can tag,label and set priority at his
> will. No one monitor or overwrite it
> 2. It's impossible for a new committer to  find issues which can be
> easy-fix and a "good first issue".
> My suggestions:
> 1. Looking at the ticket system there are usually less than 10 new tickets
> a day. It won't take too much time for someone with knowledge on the
> project to properly tag  the ticket.
> 2. I think that most of you don't even check the Jira. Most of you submit
> PRs and 5 seconds before opening a ticket (just because you must). There is
> no doubt that the Jira is a "side" system which doesn't really perform it's
> job.
> Take a look at this:
> a member of the community asks for committers for input but no one
> replies. I doubt this is because no one has input.. I am sure that if a PR
> was submitted you had comments. It's simply because you don't see it. This
> is why I think the current Jira does't function properly. I think that
> Github can perform a better role. All of you as committers are already
> there and it's always better to work with one system rather with two. The
> colors and labels of the GitHub as very easy to notice.
> Either way, what ever you decide something needs to be change. Either Jira
> will be more informative or move to GitHub.
> Thank you all for your good work :)

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