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From Vivek Bhatia <viv...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Plan for community buidling
Date Wed, 23 Apr 2014 00:47:51 GMT
Hi Suresh,

Thanks for sending the instructions and info out. I will go through these
and will start documenting the details on the wiki/website.

-Vivek


On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Suresh Marru <smarru@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Vivek,
>
> These descriptions and example help a lot. So we can put some of these
> into practice, do you mind documenting these on the website/wiki and we
> vote them in as a guidelines and follow the practices? For instance the
> Rave project tried to employ similar guidelines early on [1].
>
> Editing website will require to edit a markdown file and commit it back to
> SVN which will generate the html files. Instructions on these are at [2].
>
> Alternatively, you can write them in a free flow format on Airavata Wiki
> [3].
>
> Suresh
>
> [1] - http://rave.apache.org/issue-management.html
> [2] - http://airavata.apache.org/development/edit-cms-website.html
> [3] - https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/
>
> On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Vivek Bhatia <vivb77@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry I forgot to provide an example so doing that now. So based on
> following comment from Suresh in the email related to the discussion we are
> having regarding GFac's role.
>
> So I should write one plugin which works well for a single execution and
> has been builtin checkpoint recovery at critical steps and then framework
> should help me deal with multiple threads of these executions, logging,
> recovery, call-back and so on. There should be a guideline of how the
> contract between the framework and extensions.
>
> Theme - GFac 2.0
> Epic - PlugIn for GFac
> Story - As a User I would like to build checkpoint recovery at critical
> steps in the plugin.
> Task - blah, blah...
>
> The component for this is GFac and others that we touch.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> -Vivek
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Vivek Bhatia <vivb77@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Suresh,
>>
>> Yes, I agree we should segregate major architectural changes. Ideally, we
>> can view these as 2 separate areas. There are others as well but can start
>> with these.
>>
>> 1. Work streams - These are projects/work items that every one works on.
>> We need to establish a structure for these. For example following is one
>> way to organize our work items.
>>
>> Themes - This is a high level view of tangible work/product/feature. This
>> is sometimes also called a HLF (High Level Feature)
>> |_
>>    Epic - The themes are generally broken down into one or more Epic. An
>> Epic is a block of requirements that have not been broken down on
>> rationalized into stories.
>>          |_
>>             Stories - These are brief statements for product requirements
>> or use/business case. These are one level below the Epics in other words
>> one or more stories under an Epic
>>                      |_
>>                         Task - Tasks are at the most granular level and
>> are a discreet piece of work. They define some effort or work that can be
>> completed to satisfy the task. These roll up into a story.
>>
>> JIRA provides the capability for us to be able to build a structure like
>> this. This will enable us to determine what and how much work we need to do
>> to achieve what we are planning to achieve. This is a simplistic view and
>> obviously more needs to be done but if we can implement this to begin with
>> it will be a good start. For example, later on we can also track these work
>> items using labels once the structure is established.
>>
>> 2. Architectural Components - These are architectural components that we
>> work on as part of work items. We can define these in JIRA in the component
>> field such as XBaya, GFac, etc. I noticed that we are already doing this.
>>
>> I can help  with some of this effort but I do not have edit/create
>> permissions on JIRA. I tried assigning a JIRA to myself but wasn't able.
>> Additionally I wanted to log a JIRA for the common commands but couldn't do
>> it. I think I will need permissions to do that.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Vivek
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Suresh Marru <smarru@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Vivek,
>>>
>>> I think this is a great suggestion. I agree and second everything you
>>> say below.
>>>
>>> Should we also consider segregating major architectural changes,
>>> incremental development tasks and bug fixes?
>>>
>>> Do you have any suggestions for a JIRA Workflow? If you already do not
>>> have the right privileges on airavata jira, we can req
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Vivek Bhatia <vivb77@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> re: community building and suggestions. I completely agree with the
>>>> following indicated in Suresh's email. It is always a good idea to think
>>>> through the bigger picture first and break down the work into smaller
>>>> chunks and file JIRA's for it. This is a very common industry practice and
>>>> will help us in several ways such as provide a high level structure for the
>>>> JIRA's, help other contributors understand the bigger picture and pitch in
>>>> into the effort, help us evaluate work/milestone for each feature etc.,
>>>> additionally could also help identify what our roadmap is so that we can
>>>> publish that out to perspective community/users for Airavta. We might be
>>>> doing this already and it might be a good idea to take another look at this
>>>> to see where we need to put more emphasis on, which is what I think the
>>>> objective of this effort/email is...
>>>>
>>>> 1) The current core developers should spend more time in described
>>>> requirements and clearly scoped improvements to JIRA. As developers, we
>>>> tend to enjoy writing in java than in english. But I feel, the time we take
>>>> of our own coding and writing well defined requirements will boost the
>>>> community building.
>>>> 2) JIRA tasks - Currently the developers are adding issues on what they
>>>> are working. This is undoubtedly helping to track commits to JIRA, but as
a
>>>> good development practice, we should add as many tasks as possible, and
>>>> then when we start to work on an issue, we should assign it to ourselves
>>>> and start coding. This way we know the active development areas ahead of
>>>> time and community can if possible align.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> my 2 cents here...
>>>> -Vivek
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Suresh Marru <smarru@apache.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to revisit the community building thread from over two years
>>>>> ago. Any concrete steps we can take now?
>>>>>
>>>>> Eran, thanks for sharing some of these concerns in a post-hangout
>>>>> discussion today. Can you please share some of your suggestions on this
>>>>> thread?
>>>>>
>>>>> Suresh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Suresh Marru <smarru@apache.org>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Ross for initiating this important conversion and for Chri's
>>>>>> suggestions on OODT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good to see some new community requests recently, it will be nice
to
>>>>>> get some feedback as well. So please speak up, both good and back
feedback
>>>>>> will be equally recieved. We would like to know how we can help lower
the
>>>>>> barrier to use and contribute to Airavata.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition to what Marlon already mentioned, I can see some
>>>>>> improvements we can make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) The current core developers should spend more time in described
>>>>>> requirements and clearly scoped improvements to JIRA. As developers,
we
>>>>>> tend to enjoy writing in java than in english. But I feel, the time
we take
>>>>>> of our own coding and writing well defined requirements will boost
the
>>>>>> community building.
>>>>>> 2) JIRA tasks - Currently the developers are adding issues on what
>>>>>> they are working. This is undoubtedly helping to track commits to
JIRA, but
>>>>>> as a good development practice, we should add as many tasks as possible,
>>>>>> and then when we start to work on an issue, we should assign it to
>>>>>> ourselves and start coding. This way we know the active development
areas
>>>>>> ahead of time and community can if possible align.
>>>>>> 3) Add all the test cases to  be improved to JIRA, yes one more JIRA
>>>>>> suggestion, but I feel this is important.
>>>>>> 4) Improve architecture diagrams, data models, schema documentation,
>>>>>> E-R diagrams what ever makes community to understand the code better.
>>>>>> 5) Improve usability. Invite HCI usability experts to criticize at
>>>>>> same time give suggestions to improve.
>>>>>> 6) Airavata primarly caters to Scientific use cases, but as we
>>>>>> realize, its fully general purpose and useful in many facets of other
>>>>>> application areas. We should actively synergize and engage with workflow,
>>>>>> messaging system and hadoop related projects.
>>>>>> 7) Start developing web interfaces/gadgets to Airavata back end
>>>>>> services and actively work with projects like Rave.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Couple of brainstorming ideas:
>>>>>> * Should we actively participate in Google summer of code? this not
>>>>>> only helps us to break down the tasks, it also makes us think the
next 6+
>>>>>> months of roadmap. If we are lucky, we might get good code contributions
>>>>>> too. Ross, Chris, Any directions on how to proceed on this?
>>>>>> * Invite Airavata to be used for capstone projects in programming
and
>>>>>> HCI courses? Answering student questions will improve our FAQ's greatly
and
>>>>>> as above we might expand community to both faculty and students.
>>>>>> * Reach out to technical writers to seek their help in improving
>>>>>> documentation?
>>>>>> * How to address Marlon's comment on making the community feel that
>>>>>> they need not write code to be part of the project and be pro-actively
>>>>>> contribute to its future directions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any others?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Suresh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Hi Marlon,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Both of these are great suggestions and yes we can immediately
cite
>>>>>> a synergy with OODT as well and some
>>>>>> > pilot projects. Getting the conversation on list will be great
for
>>>>>> the other direct contacts, but it's something we
>>>>>> > struggled with originally in OODT and something that can be
worked
>>>>>> through.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Great suggestions.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Cheers,
>>>>>> > Chris
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Jan 31, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Marlon Pierce wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> We've been recruiting several groups to participate, and
I expect
>>>>>> an increase in communications on the list from java cyberinfrastructure
>>>>>> developers from Iowa State and University of Minnesota.  We also
have met
>>>>>> with Chris Mattman and others from Apache OODT, which is doing
>>>>>> complementary things.  We have discussed pilot projects with OODT,
so I
>>>>>> think this is something we can do immediately to broaden the community.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Two issues I have seen: 1) we tend to get contacted directly
by
>>>>>> collaborators instead of through the dev list, so we need to encourage
(or
>>>>>> insist) that more traffic goes on airavata-dev; and 2) we have many
>>>>>> collaborators who are not java developers but who have valuable
>>>>>> requirements, usage scenarios, feedback, complaints, etc that also
need to
>>>>>> go on the list. We need to make it clear to the second group that
there are
>>>>>> many ways to contribute besides submitting code patches.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Marlon
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 1/31/12 8:55 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>>>>> >>> First off, I've been a little remiss in my duties as
a mentor
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>> >>> Appologies for that and thanks to Chris for keeping
things
>>>>>> moving. I
>>>>>> >>> hope to find more time to spend on this project in the
near
>>>>>> future.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> I would like to see the project members discussing how
we can go
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> >>> building community diversity in the project.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> What simple actions can we take to raise awareness (over
and
>>>>>> above the
>>>>>> >>> lower barriers and make releases items in the board
report)?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> I'm particularly interested in hearing from people who
are lurking
>>>>>> >>> here but not yet contributing. What is stopping you
from
>>>>>> de-lurking?
>>>>>> >>> How can we help you take those first initial steps?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> For those active in the project how do we communicate
the value of
>>>>>> >>> Airavata to the rest of the world? Are there any often
requested
>>>>>> items
>>>>>> >>> that people can work on as a first step into the project
>>>>>> community?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Any other ideas?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> My goal is for us to come up with 3-5 concrete actions
that we can
>>>>>> >>> include in our next board report.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Ross
>>>>>> >>>
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>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>>>>> > Senior Computer Scientist
>>>>>> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>>>>> > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>>>>>> > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>>>>> > WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>>>>> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
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>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
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