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From Timothy Bish <tabish...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Amazon MQ
Date Fri, 08 Dec 2017 17:49:22 GMT
On 12/08/2017 11:33 AM, Christopher Shannon wrote:
> Have you tried searching with bing?

given the context of the thread maybe it'd be better to ask Alexa ?

>
> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Justin Bertram <jbertram@apache.org> wrote:
>
>>> You can imagine that such organizations who make tons of investment in
>> ActiveMQ are not impressed by claims of 'better architecture' or my
>> 'journaling system is faster'.
>>
>> Do you have a list of what these companies are, in fact, impressed with?  I
>> tried to Google for it but it didn't turn up much.
>>
>>> I think it would be good for you to interact more with other parts of RH.
>> Which parts of Red Hat do I need to interact with more?  Please elaborate.
>> I need your help here.
>>
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What I know is exactly what I said: "effort was started part of the RH
>>> partnership". I know very little about a partnership. The little I know I
>>> cannot disclose and things change all the time anyway.
>>>
>>> RH's strategy, like any other business is driven by sales. What I can
>> tell
>>> you for instance that's public information is that the US (and other)
>>> governments are heavy users of ActiveMQ (see USGS Earthquake Early
>> Warning
>>> [1], bottom of page 12 or search for ActiveMQ). You can imagine that such
>>> organizations who make tons of investment in ActiveMQ are not impressed
>> by
>>> claims of 'better architecture' or my 'journaling system is faster'. It's
>>> costs, training, a lot of factors to consider if you want to be
>> successful
>>> (see why even the faster RabbitMQ struggles). ActiveMQ 5.x is very
>> reliable
>>> when configured well. So it's no surprise that companies like Amazon
>> decide
>>> the way they do.
>>>
>>> We can talk more about what I see as a path to success and all, but I
>>> think it would be good for you to interact more with other parts of RH.
>>>
>>> My $0.02,
>>> Hadrian
>>>
>>> [1] https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2014/1097/pdf/ofr2014-1097.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/08/2017 09:38 AM, Justin Bertram wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not clear on what you're saying.  Are you indicating that Amazon and
>>>> Red Hat are partnering on this venture for ActiveMQ 5.x in AWS?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Justin
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I made some inquiries and have it on good authority that the AWS Managed
>>>>> ActiveMQ effort was started part of the RH partnership [1]. So while
>> the
>>>>> community was not contacted, AWS did talk to people with ActiveMQ
>>>>> expertise. Now I am surprised that the RH people on this list didn't
>> know
>>>>> about it (and given the inquiries I really believe they were not aware
>> of
>>>>> that). RH is a large company and it looks like opinions (regarding
>>>>> ActiveMQ) are as diverse as they are in this community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Related to AWS, this was not a whim, an "it would be nice" sort of
>>>>> service. They have serious interest from users. There is massive (and
>>>>> increasing) interest in asynchronous messaging (see also Kafka,
>>>>> RabbitMQ).
>>>>> People make serious investments in such systems and the credibility of
>>>>> the
>>>>> community is super important.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hadrian
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://aws.amazon.com/partners/redhat/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/28/2017 10:51 PM, Justin Bertram wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw that announcement as well and was a bit puzzled by the lack of
>> any
>>>>>> involvement by Amazon in the community (at least that I could tell).
>>>>>> That
>>>>>> is, of course, their prerogative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since it's so unclear at this point how this potentially new user-base
>>>>>> might impact the community I don't see how it can factor in to the
>>>>>> road-map.  It may complicate things; it may not.  There may be renewed
>>>>>> interest in 5.x; there may not.  Who's to say?  In my opinion this
>>>>>> further
>>>>>> highlights the need to clearly define a project road-map.  If such
a
>>>>>> road-map had been defined 6-12 months ago maybe Amazon is making
a
>>>>>> different announcement today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Tim Bain <tbain@alumni.duke.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amazon announced today a service called Amazon MQ that allows ActiveMQ
>>>>>> 5.x
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to be run as a managed service in AWS:
>>>>>>> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-mq-managed-message-
>>>>>>> broker-service-for-activemq/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was anyone on this list aware of that effort prior to this
>>>>>>> announcement?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We should all be aware that there may be additional users coming
to
>>>>>>> ActiveMQ as a result of this service, who may have minimal experience
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the configuration details of the broker and limited access to
>> detailed
>>>>>>> troubleshooting information such as logs and JMX. This may complicate
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> delay the eventual sunsetting of 5.x in favor of Artemis; there
may
>> be
>>>>>>> interest in keeping 5.x alive for longer as a result of its use
in
>> this
>>>>>>> service.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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Tim Bish
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