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From Martyn Taylor <mtay...@redhat.com>
Subject Re: Website
Date Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:30:18 GMT
On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 8:38 PM Bruce Snyder <bruce.snyder@gmail.com> wrote:

> Fair points, Martyn. I like the idea of a combination of JIRA issues plus a
> list of those issues that is easily visible somewhere such as the wiki.
>
> Seeing as how we are moving the website around completely, I believe we
> need to include the docs to support the older versions in some way. So, the
> first thought that came to mind is a search capability in order for users
> to find them easier. Another idea, we could also keep the old site intact
> and available as a sub-domain or URL, e.g., 5x.activemq.apache.org,
> activemq.apache.org/5.x, etc. However, the advantage of a search feature
> is
> that it would be useful across the site, not just for older stuff. We might
> even be able structure the search to allow users to select a version of the
> docs that they would like to search. Anyway, just some thoughts.
>
> I agree that we should try to get the new site functional ASAP, but that
> should not eliminate the old site entirely. We should not abandon users of
> older versions.
>
+1 Bruce.

I had thought that the export of the current site into the gitbook had all
the info, but perhaps there are missing pieces.  I like the idea of keeping
the old site running and link to it from the new site.  This ensures
existing users have all the info they need, but let's us move forward with
new content.  Perhaps we can switch out the exiting home page for the new
one and add a link to old website AMQ project page ("Existing users looking
for the original ActiveMQ website click here.").  If we are able to get
some stats on number of accesses to a particular page, we can use that info
to prioritise porting older content.

Search, feature also a good idea, but I'm not sure how much effort would be
involved, there is already a search feature in the gitbook document (linked
to on the project page).

How about we fill in the existing placeholder content and add links to the
old sites from each project page (and the home page)?  We could go live
with this?  Then start working through the nice to haves/criticals.  I
think once we're live and the code is available, the community will be more
inclined to report/fixing issues.

Cheers

>
> Bruce
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 2:44 AM Martyn Taylor <mtaylor@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > Cheers gents, looks like we're all set with the git repos.
> >
> > Shall we start putting together a ToDo list for what needs to happen to
> > move to the new site?  JIRA perhaps?
> >
> > Bruce you mentioned a search feature for older content.  Can you
> elaborate
> > on this.  Also, there's the actual content for the pages, key features,
> > users etc... Perhaps we can all contribute to these?  I could take care
> of
> > the Artemis side of things, if people with more experience in NMS, CMS
> and
> > 5.x could come up with some content for the project home pages?
> >
> > I agree with Michael in that it'd be good to get the new site running
> even
> > if it's not 100% perfect then iteratively improve on it.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:56 AM Clebert Suconic <
> > clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > How to delete one now ?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 6:55 PM Bruce Snyder <bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Whoops, I just created one as well:
> > > >
> > > > https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=activemq-website.git
> > > >
> > > > Bruce
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:49 AM Clebert Suconic <
> > > clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > New repo created:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=activemq-www.git
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:47 AM Clebert Suconic
> > > > > <clebert.suconic@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Robbie Gemmel pointed me to https://gitbox.apache.org/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm trying to create one now:
> > > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:36 AM Clebert Suconic
> > > > > > <clebert.suconic@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's for Bruce Snyder then...
> > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:29 AM Justin Bertram <
> > > jbertram@redhat.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There's a "Create a new Git repository" option on
> > > > > > > > https://selfserve.apache.org/.  I clicked it and logged
in,
> > but
> > > > > apparently
> > > > > > > > it's restricted to ASF members and PMC chairs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Justin
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM Clebert Suconic <
> > > > > clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I create an Infra JIRA for this:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-17124
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 9:49 AM Clebert Suconic
> > > > > > > > > <clebert.suconic@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I asked infra and no reponse.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know any procedure on creating
a repo at
> > apache?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I did ask infra about something what to
do.. but so far
> no
> > > > > response. I
> > > > > > > > > > know they are busy.. so if anyone here knows
a better way
> > to
> > > > > handle
> > > > > > > > > > this....
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:14 AM Clebert Suconic
> > > > > > > > > > <clebert.suconic@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I just initiated a thread at apache
infra list, asking
> > for
> > > > > guidance on
> > > > > > > > > > > how to setup things.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > will keep it posted here.
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:01 AM Christopher
Shannon
> > > > > > > > > > > <christopher.l.shannon@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for getting the website
discussion
> restarted.  I
> > > > > think it
> > > > > > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > > quite beneficial if we can get
the new website live
> and
> > > > have
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > clear
> > > > > > > > > > > > information on there such as what
Artemis is, etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 9:13 AM
Clebert Suconic <
> > > > > > > > > clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I will handle it next week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 5:09
PM Bruce Snyder <
> > > > > > > > > bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Clebert,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be very helpful
if you could create a
> git
> > > repo
> > > > > for it
> > > > > > > > > and get
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > source code moved into
there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bruce
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018
at 7:58 AM Clebert Suconic <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Bruce: Anything
I can do to expedie this? or
> you
> > > are
> > > > > taking
> > > > > > > > > care of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the private repo?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 3,
2018 at 1:52 AM
> > michael.andre.pearce
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <michael.andre.pearce@me.com.invalid>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you noted
because its using jekyll i could
> > use
> > > > > github
> > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One option
is you could host it on asf git,
> > have
> > > > the
> > > > > github
> > > > > > > > > clone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we do with code
and then use github pages,
> simply
> > > > > asking infra
> > > > > > > > > to have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub domain point
to the github pages. Not sure
> if
> > > > thats
> > > > > > > > > allowed or not,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is probably
easiest.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from
my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original
message --------From: Bruce
> > > > Snyder
> > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
Date: 02/10/2018
> 21:11
> > > > > (GMT+00:00)
> > > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev@activemq.apache.org
Subject: Re: Website
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great job,
MIchael! I like the look of this
> > site.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's certainly
work to be done as you
> > > mentioned,
> > > > > so I
> > > > > > > > > don't think
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take the place
of the current site 100% just
> > > yet. I
> > > > > agree
> > > > > > > > > that it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to be
perfect, but we need to provide an
> > > easy
> > > > > way to
> > > > > > > > > find the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information
we know exists via search
> > > functionality
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first
action should be to move the source
> > > into
> > > > > an ASF
> > > > > > > > > git repo so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone has
access to it, allowing others to
> > > > > contribute.
> > > > > > > > > This will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us to deploy
straight from the git repo at
> some
> > > > > point, too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone
recently investigated how to
> deploy
> > a
> > > > > static
> > > > > > > > > website from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > git
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repo to the
sub-domain at the ASF? If not, I
> > will
> > > > > dig into
> > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bruce
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct
2, 2018 at 8:40 AM
> > > michael.andre.pearce
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <michael.andre.pearce@me.com.invalid>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just
wanted to get the ball rolling again
> > on
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > > discussion,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we've
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
great progress made on the initial
> code
> > > base
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > started a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we've
created a responsive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  design
based on bootstrap which looks
> pretty
> > > > nice
> > > > > on both
> > > > > > > > > mobile
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > desktop,
bringing us into 2018 ;).  All the
> > > > > content was
> > > > > > > > > exported
> > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current
site by Bruce already, and now
> lives
> > > > under
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > documentation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > link
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the
ActiveMQ 5 project page.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's
obviously still some work to do
> but I
> > > > > wanted to
> > > > > > > > > send now to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
early feedback and hopefully get some
> > > input
> > > > on
> > > > > > > > > content for the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > home
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages
for each project.  What
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  do need
to have happen to make this live.
> > I'd
> > > > > prefer not
> > > > > > > > > to spend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying
to get this perfect, but if we could
> > get
> > > > an
> > > > > MVP for
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > website
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > live
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and kicking,
we can improve it iteratively
> > over
> > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd love
to here your thoughts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The code
is here:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > https://github.com/michaelandrepearce/activemq-website/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And a
demohttps://
> > > > > > > > > michaelandrepearce.github.io/activemq-website
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent
from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perl -e 'print
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > );'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ActiveMQ in
Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blog: http://bsnyder.org/
<
> > http://bruceblog.org/
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clebert Suconic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > perl -e 'print
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> > > );'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ActiveMQ in Action:
http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blog: http://bsnyder.org/
<http://bruceblog.org/
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Clebert Suconic
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Clebert Suconic
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Clebert Suconic
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Clebert Suconic
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Clebert Suconic
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Clebert Suconic
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Clebert Suconic
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > perl -e 'print
> > > > unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> > );'
> > > >
> > > > ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > > Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > > >
> > > --
> > > Clebert Suconic
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> perl -e 'print
> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>
> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>

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