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From Martyn Taylor <mtay...@redhat.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSS] Web Management Console for Artemis.
Date Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:52:36 GMT
Perhaps a bad description of what I meant.  To clarify, I didn't see any
powered by logo when I was browsing the console.  A point that was on the
check list and was raised by a community member.  When I've seen these
types of "powered by" logos before, they've been included in a page footer
along with other site information.  I'd need to go digging to find it in
the about page.  I presume the intent of including the powered by logo, is
to draw traction to the HawtIO project, imo a reasonable request, but
perhaps not fulfilled by having it hidden away.

I don't think it's a blocker for the PR.  Just something I wanted to call
out.  We can discuss further on a JIRA.

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Justin Bertram <jbertram@redhat.com> wrote:

> I'm confused.  Did Martyn say that a "Powered By" needs to be on the main
> page of the console?
>
>
> Justin
>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Michael André Pearce <
> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>
> > As Dan says there is a reference to being powered by in the about page.
> >
> > I was under the impression it shouldn't be up front an centre, but in the
> > about area would suffice.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 27 Jul 2017, at 13:11, Daniel Kulp <dkulp@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Jul 27, 2017, at 6:56 AM, Martyn Taylor <mtaylor@redhat.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> No third party / propriety other products should be mentioned apart
> > from a
> > >> powered by.
> > >>  * I don't see any powered by on the main screens.  We can open a JIRA
> > to
> > >> track it once this is merged.
> > >
> > > It shouldn’t be on the main screen…. There is information on the
> “About”
> > page (at least last time I looked at it) which is enough.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> This should be able to expand over time
> > >> * Met. It's extendable.
> > >>
> > >> License/Notice files and any legal requirements are updated/met
> > >> * I've been through each source, license and notice file.  Both in
> this
> > >> project and the original project this is imported from.  The original
> > >> project was not properly licensed, which caused some concern.
> However,
> > >> I've sent a PR which was merged.  I think we're all good here.
> > >>
> > >> In summary, I think it's a great first start and something users can
> use
> > >> pretty much straight away.
> > >>
> > >> +1 from me.  Great work Michael.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Justin Bertram <jbertram@redhat.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I just reviewed the new console via the PR.  I really like it.  Nice
> > work!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Justin
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Clebert Suconic <
> > >>> clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> That's fair guys.. I was just tempted to do it.. but won't to it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Michael André Pearce
> > >>>> <michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> I would agree, we should stick to the plan.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Merging straight after release and releasing again won't delay
in
> > >>>> reality the time people can use it. Apart from a few days at most.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> But will address/de risks any concerns.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 13 Jul 2017, at 17:23, Timothy Bish <tabish121@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 07/13/2017 12:10 PM, Clebert Suconic wrote:
> > >>>>>>> I am tempted to merge it now actually....
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Anyone opposed to this? it would be cool to have a
console on
> this
> > >>>>>>> next release.. if it's all good.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Please stick to the original plan.  I guessing there's
other folks
> > >>> like
> > >>>> myself who haven't had time to even look at this new console yet.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Michael André Pearce
> > >>>>>>> <michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Hi All,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I would like to start a fresh discussion to keep
things cleaner,
> > and
> > >>>> to provide more of a notification/update. (also to better name
the
> > >>> subject)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The requirement for such a tool comes from many
end users
> > (including
> > >>>> myself) which keep requesting such a feature of a web management
> > console
> > >>> (a
> > >>>> small selection of a much larger list i can supply many more),
and
> so
> > >>>> becomes more and more pressing to resolve.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/How-to-monitor-
> > >>>> artemis-td4727071.html <http://activemq.2283324.n4.
> > >>>> nabble.com/How-to-monitor-artemis-td4727071.html>
> > >>>>>>>> https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/
> > >>>> 39052/administration-console-for-artemis-jms-broker <
> > >>> https://softwarerecs.
> > >>>> stackexchange.com/questions/39052/administration-console-
> > >>>> for-artemis-jms-broker>
> > >>>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37162532/how-to-
> > >>>> monitor-apache-artemis <https://stackoverflow.com/
> > >>>> questions/37162532/how-to-monitor-apache-artemis>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Based off the discussion here:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Removing-
> > >>>> the-Web-Console-td4717136i40.html#a4728199 <
> > http://activemq.2283324.n4.
> > >>>> nabble.com/DISCUSS-Removing-the-Web-Console-td4717136i40.
> > html#a4728199>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> We have some key requirements as noted were (not
exhaustive but
> a
> > >>>> small summary of noted in the above thread):
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Must be ActiveMQ Branded
> > >>>>>>>> No third party / propriety other products should
be mentioned
> > apart
> > >>>> from a powered by.
> > >>>>>>>> Help and about pages should be ActiveMQ Artemis
focussed
> > >>>>>>>> Provide functionality to manage the broker
> > >>>>>>>> This should be able to expand over time
> > >>>>>>>> License/Notice files and any legal requirements
are updated/met
> > >>>>>>>> The war size should be kept to a minimum
> > >>>>>>>> Login/Security should be integrated to the broker
roles/users
> > >>>>>>>> Plugins/customisation specific to AcitveMQ Artemis
to reside in
> > >>>> ActiveMQ Artemis project.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Also we had some good early feedback in the community
on the
> > missing
> > >>>> bits in our early PR, of bits that needed/must be addressed. (thanks
> > to
> > >>>> Dan, Clebert, Martyn).
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> We believe we have a viable “agreeable" solution
to provide a
> web
> > >>>> console admin for Apache ActiveMQ Artemis.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> As such we don’t see any reason to hold off and
would like to
> > bring
> > >>>> your attention (again) to the PR please make any standard review
> > comments
> > >>>> there.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/activemq-artemis/pull/1385
<
> > >>>> https://github.com/apache/activemq-artemis/pull/1385>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Also there has been a small discussion on how to
release this,
> so
> > >>>> that we can start to get end user feedback, as users tend to want
a
> > built
> > >>>> usable distribution, like wise there is concern of bundling this
> into
> > the
> > >>>> next release.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> We propose:
> > >>>>>>>> We will release the upcoming next version of Apache
ActiveMQ
> > >>> Artemis,
> > >>>> WITHOUT the new web console. This is due to occur in the coming
> week.
> > >>>>>>>> We will then subsequently look to merge and release
another
> > version
> > >>>> of Apache ActiveMQ Artemis WITH the console, so it is in a clean
> > release
> > >>>> with only the addition of the web console. This should occur almost
> > >>>> immediately after.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I should thank Clebert and Martyn in offering to
run the extra
> > >>>> release this would require, but de-risk some community concerns.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> This solution is based off a hawtio framework,
i would like to
> > >>>> iterate i am not a RedHat employee, nor anything to do with Hawtio
> > >>> project.
> > >>>> I work for a company that uses the project like other end users,
and
> > >>> simply
> > >>>> see it as a framework to enable us in activemq to deliver a usable
> web
> > >>>> management console for artemis with as little cost, effort and
> > >>> maintenance
> > >>>> as possible, to provide an immediate need in the user community.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Many thanks
> > >>>>>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Tim Bish
> > >>>>>> twitter: @tabish121
> > >>>>>> blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Clebert Suconic
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Daniel Kulp
> > > dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> > > Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> > >
> >
>

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