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From Rob Davies <rajdav...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Removing the Web Console
Date Tue, 04 Jul 2017 14:33:22 GMT
On the “about” page - it would be polite to reference the hawtio comunity - i.e. “Artemis
Management console is powered by hawtio: hawt.io <http://hawt.io/>” etc - as there
is no powered by logo.

> On 3 Jul 2017, at 23:52, Michael André Pearce <michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok,
> 
> So i think we can do this. From a local build.
> 
> Please see screenshots.
> 
> https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03 <https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03>
> 
> For 1) I think we have managed to completely skin it, with all hawtio references removed,
even the favicon.
> For 2) Only the artemis plugin and base jvm plugins, no extras for any other products.
> For 3) Im hoping we can come to agreement on this gets contributed in from the rh-messaging
project @clebert @martyn @andy?, if not we can probably code up a simpler version of it for
now without bells and whistles, and add in the future features later.
> 
> So if we sort point three, i think we can make this “acceptable”
> 
> Cheers
> Mike
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 19:17, Daniel Kulp <dkulp@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Michael André Pearce <michael.andre.pearce@me.com
<mailto:michael.andre.pearce@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe we could make a simple activemq branding jar/war with the selected
new logo ;) once decided without too much trouble.
>>> 
>>> I'd be happy to step up to try do this if no objectors.
>> 
>> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be “acceptable”:
>> 
>> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or whatever to
be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to other sites other than a possible
small “powered by” type thing would need to be removed.  
>> 
>> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things related to
ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>> 
>> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST live here
at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use the one they provide (unless
you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>> 
>> Unless all three happen, it’s a no-go. 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:51, Clebert Suconic <clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Speaking the plain truth... The issue is that the hawtio console that
>>>> was used years ago.. looked like a commercial product outside of
>>>> apache
>>>> 
>>>> I think that if we clear that now.. if it looks an apache look &
>>>> feel.. people wouldn't have an issue with it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That would require some cleanup.. move to a newer hawtio plugin maybe?
>>>> that's when we thought about trying new routes if we would need to do
>>>> a lot of work anyways.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Michael André Pearce
>>>> <michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> I don't think this is a blocker, for example artemis uses jboss logging,
this doesn't have a notice file
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think we just have to preserve them if present and for asf projects
themselves eg artemis itself it's policy to provide one for the asf work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 01:09, W B D <wbd@users.sourceforge.net>
wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've been using hawtio alongside the classic web console in ActiveMQ
5.x
>>>>>> and have been quite happy with it. I find it easier to use for many
common
>>>>>> operations as well as for general monitoring, and it is definitely
a gap in
>>>>>> the current Artemis distribution, so I would certainly welcome built-in
>>>>>> hawtio support as a good addition.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Although the source code already contains the standard license assignment
>>>>>> to ASF, it does not include a NOTICE file. We could ask Redhat for
one, or
>>>>>> construct one crediting them with the original work, or add a stanza
to the
>>>>>> top-level NOTICE file if that is more appropriate. IMO, the package
and
>>>>>> class name org.jboss.plugin.PluginContextListener could probably
be changed
>>>>>> in our copy, both to establish custody and to give a clearer name.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM, MichaelAndrePearce <
>>>>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It's been some time since this discussion thread without seemingly
any
>>>>>>> movement.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Artemis Project is really suffering from having any kind of management
>>>>>>> console. With continued questions and calls from users especially
as it's
>>>>>>> picking up traction and deployment.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As such could I propose, that as lack of movement on any other
solution and
>>>>>>> Hawtio is pretty much in a usable state, with a plugin also out
there in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> wild. (It's ASL)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That for the interim on artemis project we build and release
with Hawtio
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> an artemis plugin (if RH would donate their plugin to artemis
project?)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any objectors?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> View this message in context: http://activemq.2283324.n4.
>>>>>>> nabble.com/DISCUSS-Removing-the-Web-Console-tp4717136p4728020.html
>>>>>>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Clebert Suconic
>> 
>> -- 
>> Daniel Kulp
>> dkulp@apache.org <mailto:dkulp@apache.org> - http://dankulp.com/blog <http://dankulp.com/blog>
>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com <http://coders.talend.com/>


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