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From Timothy Bish <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Custom Object Serialisation Support
Date Fri, 02 Jun 2017 19:15:36 GMT
On 06/02/2017 01:26 PM, Michael André Pearce wrote:
> That makes sense to me I agree on that.
> Do you think it's better to have tools that present jms api like pooled connection factory
and this, sitting in artemis as extensions or in camel project?

Since it seems you are making something that's not a camel component 
then I doubt it would be accepted at Camel.

As for putting something into Artemis then some questions to ask would be:

1. If it is generic then does it make sense to tie it to Artemis where 
the perception would be that it is not.
2. Would you prefer to tie the release cycle of said project to the 
Artemis release cycle or would it be better to live on its own where 
quick bug fix releases could happen outside the normal broker release 

I'd asked the same questions if moving the JMS Pool from ActiveMQ 5.x to 
Artemis was proposed, just to clarify that I'm not trying to be unfair.

> Sent from my iPhone
>> On 2 Jun 2017, at 18:20, Timothy Bish <> wrote:
>>> On 06/02/2017 01:16 PM, Michael André Pearce wrote:
>>> Yeas but we just want a JMS Api wrapper that exposes again JMS api, here.
>> My point being, don't call it camel-x as it isn't camel and would cause confusion.
 Calling it camel-jms-wrapper leads one to believe you've wrapped camel-jms (which is a JMS
wrapper) with a wrapper making it more JMS'y?
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> On 2 Jun 2017, at 18:04, Timothy Bish <> wrote:
>>>>> On 06/02/2017 11:08 AM, Clebert Suconic wrote:
>>>>> You know what would be cool IMO?
>>>>> Create a camel-jms-tool / camel-jms-wrapper (whatever the name you need):
>>>> Camel already has a JMS wrapper that takes a connection factory, it's called
camel-jms, or if you don't want any spring deps then camel-sjms
>>>>> Add a couple of tools there:
>>>>> - The connection factory that we need to share with qpid-jms
>>>>> - This class that Micahel is writing..
>>>>> and it would be a nice marriage. This camel-jms-wrapper could be
>>>>> lightweight and offer not many dependencies on camel itself.
>>>>> Just brain storming ^^^^
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Clebert Suconic
>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 5:26 AM, Martyn Taylor <>
>>>>>>> So, I could originally see a requirement for controlling the
>>>>>>> (de)serialization process for performance or security reasons,
whilst also
>>>>>>> controlling data format.  I still think having something light
weight that
>>>>>>> gives users control over this (outside of overriding the java
>>>>>>> methods) may be useful.  It would only take a couple of lines
of code in
>>>>>>> the client to do it.
>>>>>> I think so... Camel will .. as far as I know.. will make you commit
>>>>>> the consumer and do an ack on every message received like MDBs do...
>>>>>> Introducing Camel just for the sake of serialization doesn't seem
>>>>>> right decision to me.. there's a lot more interesting on Camel than
>>>>>> just the serialization mechanism.
>>>>>>> But, if this thread is really only about integrating multiple
>>>>>>> by controlling bytes that are sent over the wire then I have
to agree with
>>>>>>> Tim, in that Camel does seem to be a good fit for this problem.
 Michael, I
>>>>>>> can see your point re: the success of the Kafka model, if you
feel that
>>>>>>> this is largely down to the API and the abstraction of the serialization
>>>>>>> process, how about just wrapping a Camel context?
>>>>>> I am not sure what performance implications this would make.. and
>>>>>> seems more complicated to be used.
>>>>>> A simpler API has a higher chance of success.
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tim Bish
>>>> twitter: @tabish121
>>>> blog:
>> -- 
>> Tim Bish
>> twitter: @tabish121
>> blog:

Tim Bish
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