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From Chris Mattmann <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS} HornetQ & ActiveMQ's next generation
Date Wed, 08 Apr 2015 14:46:58 GMT
Hi Everyone,

These are my following concerns as an ASF director that the ActiveMQ
community needs to address.

1. RH has a product, called HornetQ, which includes a website;
branding, etc.

At a minimum this is an extreme branding confusion if this is
ActiveMQ 6 and even more so if there is a HornetQ branch in an
Apache code repo. We don’t allow companies to come into Apache and
create confusion by importing their *still existing* products into
our neutral zone at the ASF and then keep maintaining their external
websites and so forth. This needs to be rectified, ASAP.  If HornetQ
exists in an Apache repo (which it does right now) -
needs to go away at a date identified by the PMC in its next board

2. The ActiveMQ PMC needs to deliver a plan for: (1) keeping the community
as 1 project with multiple “products”; or (2) spinning out HornetQ into
Incubator or straight to TLP; or (3) keeping the community as 1 project
with a single “product”. These are the only options. A choice must
be identified and made by the PMC in its next board report.

I would strongly encourage the community also to think about the
role of the PMC chair in all of this. To that point, the current
chair has been the chair for *many* years and based on the current
status and issues in the community, I would strongly suggest having
a plan for potentially replacing the chair of the project. It’s a
healthy thing to do and these community issues may be better
identified by some fresh blood and energy. I fully expect the above
issues to be discussed, and identified between now and April 22
which is the next board meeting and the PMC’s report.


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Stein <>
Reply-To: <>
Date: Monday, March 30, 2015 at 5:03 PM
To: <>, ActiveMQ-Developers <>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS} HornetQ & ActiveMQ's next generation

>Please note: earlier messages Jim has sent were as "Jim, the individual"
>using his years of experience at Apache to review the situation, and to
>provide feedback. Chris Mattman has also been assisting lately; again, as
>"Chris, the individual".
>This message below is on **behalf of the Board**. Jim may have been the
>messenger, but what is happening in Apache ActiveMQ is now a specific
>concern of the Board. As such, it needs to be addressed per Jim's note.
>Greg Stein
>ASF Director, and Vice Chairman
>On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:
>> I think it has become somewhat obvious that this is an issue which
>> is currently, as well as potentially, damaging an important
>> project and community.
>> As such:
>> The ASF board has taken notice of some PMC issues going on in ActiveMQ.
>> There appear to be two distinct factions under the same ASF umbrella of
>> this project: One is focusing on a codebase called "HornetQ"; another is
>> the more traditional Apache ActiveMQ PMC. What appeared to start off
>> as an opportunity for these 2 factions to merge and grow together, has
>> instead devolved into, for lack of a better term, a power struggle.
>> The board is not happy about the current state of affairs. The job of
>> the VP is to be the eyes and ears of the board, and clearly that job is
>> not being done effectively. The board offers its help and strongly
>> encourages the PMC and the Chair to take it, before more pro-active
>> action is required by the board.
>> We (the board) expect a full report by the current ActiveMQ PMC and a
>> roadmap for going forward, either as a single harmonious project,
>> or as 2 distinct projects.

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