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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Special Board Report
Date Mon, 20 Apr 2015 23:50:18 GMT
HornetQ can incubate (as the chosen code name) with full intentions of
graduating as a sub project.  No rework would be required.

We would obviously strongly encourage members from AMQ to assist with the
mentoring.

John

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:16 PM James Carman <james@carmanconsulting.com>
wrote:

> For what it's worth, I agree with Hadrian that HornetQ should go to the
> incubator.  The fact that I gave up on pushing the issue doesn't mean I
> don't think that's the right course of action.  It just didn't seem like it
> was going to happen.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 6:46 PM Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Uhm, what were we doing for the past 2 weeks? On two lists, multiple
> > threads?
> >
> > I assume you are aware of my recommendation to have hornetq grow
> > independently in the incubator. That proposal was rejected, but no
> > reason given besides that the RH engineers would have to do the work
> > twice. My request was to include that in the report (or whatever other
> > reason might exist). The way it looks is that Fuse/RH/(the Damarillo
> > group), anyway you want to describe that faction is dead set on
> > replacing the existing ActiveMQ with HornetQ (or whatever code name) in
> > version 6 or 10. By keeping HornetQ under the ActiveMQ PMC influence its
> > future will be heavily influenced by the already biased PMC and at the
> > same time hide the lack of diversity in HornetQ. In the incubator,
> > HornetQ will have the opportunity and freedom to grow in any direction
> > and build a diverse community.
> >
> > Since there is all this concern about the viral nature of the plan, why
> > not allow HornetQ to take its course, build more diversity in the
> > ActiveMQ community (actually both) and influence it based on technical
> > merits instead of abundance of votes?
> >
> > Does that clarify my request?
> > Hadrian
> >
> >
> > On 04/20/2015 05:51 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote:
> > > Agreed, we need to get this report published/submitted, so time is off
> > the
> > > essence here.
> > >
> > > Hadrian, you have raised some points that you would like to have
> included
> > > in the report, but nobody can read your mind. Please add your points to
> > the
> > > report so that others can see them and discuss them ASAP.
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Hiram Chirino <hiram@hiramchirino.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> So we are running into a time crunch here.  I'm hoping all the PMC
> > >> members will pitch in and apply any edits to the report they deem
> > >> necessary.  Many thanks to those who have helped out.  Seems like some
> > >> folks are still now happy with it, so that's why have held off in
> > >> sending it so that they get a chance to add their input.  But your
> > >> right, I do have to send this in before the 22nd so really today is
> > >> the last day I can hold off so that I can send it on the 21st so that
> > >> the board has at least 24 hours to review before their meeting.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> One more thing. It's the responsibility of the PMC chair to provide
a
> > >> timely
> > >>> report to the board. It's entirely his choice how he wants to go
> about
> > >> it,
> > >>> what he decides to include and what to leave out. The report should
> be
> > >>> published in a timely manner though, so that comments (usually from
> the
> > >>> board) could be addressed before the meeting.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Hadrian
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 04/20/2015 05:23 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ok so, then it sounds like your ok with the report the way it is
> right
> > >>>> now.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <
> hzbarcea@gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I have nothing to write. There were some claims made that were
not
> > >>>>> substantiate. My request was for the party that made the claims
to
> > >>>>> provide
> > >>>>> an explanation.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I cannot explain somebody else's point of view. I can explain
my
> > views
> > >> if
> > >>>>> anybody requires it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>> Hadrian
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:39 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hadrian, please write up what you want to include in the
board
> > report
> > >>>>>> that way the rest of the PMC can review.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <
> > hzbarcea@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> First, the report is late. Second, I don't think it
addresses the
> > >>>>>>> problems.
> > >>>>>>> Third, I made a request to please include in the report
an
> > >> explanation
> > >>>>>>> about
> > >>>>>>> why hornetq moving to the incubator is a non-starter
for Fuse
> > crowd.
> > >> It
> > >>>>>>> is
> > >>>>>>> very frustrating that requests get ignored.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hadrian
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:16 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Are they any other updates folks want to make to
this report?
> > >> Please
> > >>>>>>>> apply your updates soon.  The board meets on the
22nd and I'd
> like
> > >> to
> > >>>>>>>> submit the report on the 21st at the latest.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Hiram Chirino
> > >>>>>>>> <hiram@hiramchirino.com>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi guys.  The board requested a report this
month and had some
> > >>>>>>>>> specific questions around the hornetq code
donation.  I've put
> > up a
> > >>>>>>>>> first cut a report on the Wiki at:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=55155578
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hopefully we can finish off the code donation
naming vote soon
> a
> > >>>>>>>>> report that too.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>> Hiram Chirino
> > >>>>>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
> > >>>>>>>>> hchirino@redhat.com | fusesource.com | redhat.com
> > >>>>>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Hiram Chirino
> > >> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
> > >> hchirino@redhat.com | fusesource.com | redhat.com
> > >> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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