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From Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com>
Subject Re: Special Board Report
Date Tue, 21 Apr 2015 00:30:49 GMT
Perhaps this just means your failing to build a consensus around your
view point?

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com> wrote:
> Except that the discussion was started weeks ago and questions are
> constantly ignored.
>
> Hadrian
>
>
> On 04/20/2015 07:55 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Uhm, what were we doing for the past 2 weeks? On two lists, multiple
>>> threads?
>>>
>>> I assume you are aware of my recommendation to have hornetq grow
>>> independently in the incubator. That proposal was rejected, but no reason
>>> given besides that the RH engineers would have to do the work twice. My
>>> request was to include that in the report (or whatever other reason might
>>> exist). The way it looks is that Fuse/RH/(the Damarillo group), anyway
>>> you
>>> want to describe that faction is dead set on replacing the existing
>>> ActiveMQ
>>> with HornetQ (or whatever code name) in version 6 or 10. By keeping
>>> HornetQ
>>> under the ActiveMQ PMC influence its future will be heavily influenced by
>>> the already biased PMC and at the same time hide the lack of diversity in
>>> HornetQ. In the incubator, HornetQ will have the opportunity and freedom
>>> to
>>> grow in any direction and build a diverse community.
>>
>>
>> We've had lots folks from different companies agree with the direction
>> that code contribution is going in.  The fact that pin it on
>> 'Fuse/RH/(the Damarillo group)' is very disingenuous and I think a
>> poisonous position to take.  I guess we just need to agree to disagree
>> on this point.
>>
>>>
>>> Since there is all this concern about the viral nature of the plan, why
>>> not
>>> allow HornetQ to take its course, build more diversity in the ActiveMQ
>>> community (actually both) and influence it based on technical merits
>>> instead
>>> of abundance of votes?
>>
>>
>> Please start a discussion thread with your proposal and lets see if
>> consensus can be built around it.  This is how it's normally done.
>> You can't just complain that you don't agree with how things are going
>> and then cry that some evil conspiracy is underway.
>>
>>>
>>> Does that clarify my request?
>>> Hadrian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/20/2015 05:51 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, we need to get this report published/submitted, so time is off
>>>> the
>>>> essence here.
>>>>
>>>> Hadrian, you have raised some points that you would like to have
>>>> included
>>>> in the report, but nobody can read your mind. Please add your points to
>>>> the
>>>> report so that others can see them and discuss them ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Hiram Chirino <hiram@hiramchirino.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So we are running into a time crunch here.  I'm hoping all the PMC
>>>>> members will pitch in and apply any edits to the report they deem
>>>>> necessary.  Many thanks to those who have helped out.  Seems like some
>>>>> folks are still now happy with it, so that's why have held off in
>>>>> sending it so that they get a chance to add their input.  But your
>>>>> right, I do have to send this in before the 22nd so really today is
>>>>> the last day I can hold off so that I can send it on the 21st so that
>>>>> the board has at least 24 hours to review before their meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One more thing. It's the responsibility of the PMC chair to provide
a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> timely
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> report to the board. It's entirely his choice how he wants to go
about
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> it,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what he decides to include and what to leave out. The report should
be
>>>>>> published in a timely manner though, so that comments (usually from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> board) could be addressed before the meeting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Hadrian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/20/2015 05:23 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok so, then it sounds like your ok with the report the way it
is
>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have nothing to write. There were some claims made that
were not
>>>>>>>> substantiate. My request was for the party that made the
claims to
>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>> an explanation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I cannot explain somebody else's point of view. I can explain
my
>>>>>>>> views
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> anybody requires it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Hadrian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:39 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hadrian, please write up what you want to include in
the board
>>>>>>>>> report
>>>>>>>>> that way the rest of the PMC can review.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea
>>>>>>>>> <hzbarcea@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> First, the report is late. Second, I don't think
it addresses the
>>>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>>> Third, I made a request to please include in the
report an
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> explanation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> why hornetq moving to the incubator is a non-starter
for Fuse
>>>>>>>>>> crowd.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> very frustrating that requests get ignored.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hadrian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:16 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are they any other updates folks want to make
to this report?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> apply your updates soon.  The board meets on
the 22nd and I'd
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> submit the report on the 21st at the latest.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Hiram Chirino
>>>>>>>>>>> <hiram@hiramchirino.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys.  The board requested a report this
month and had some
>>>>>>>>>>>> specific questions around the hornetq code
donation.  I've put
>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> first cut a report on the Wiki at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=55155578
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully we can finish off the code donation
naming vote soon a
>>>>>>>>>>>> report that too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hiram Chirino
>>>>>>>>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> hchirino@redhat.com | fusesource.com | redhat.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hiram Chirino
>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>> hchirino@redhat.com | fusesource.com | redhat.com
>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>



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Hiram Chirino
Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
hchirino@redhat.com | fusesource.com | redhat.com
skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino

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