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From Hiram Chirino <>
Subject Re: [REPORT] Apache ActiveMQ
Date Tue, 21 Apr 2015 13:38:20 GMT
The report includes: '* At least one member of the PMC, as well as
several members of the
community, feels strongly that disagreements and concerns are not
getting addressed.  They would rather have Artemis go through the

So your point of view has been included in the report.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea <> wrote:
> I made the request to include a statement in the report about hortneq
> growing in the incubator. It was ignored.
> Here's a bit of advice on how to pull this off. Ask the board for more time
> for "discussions" in the PMC. In the meatime, people like me will wear out
> (personally, I am and I wasted way too much time on this). In the meantime
> add a few new guys to PMC and explain to them in private that they owe you
> and have to go with the decisions of the "founders" and winning team. Also
> have a just pretend disagreement between yourselves that later one morphs
> into a consensus, just to demonstrate how debate is good for the community.
> Keep Art and James away for now. If they open their (virtual) mouth, send a
> flood of emails in a perplexed tone about how they don't understand the
> future and what your customers. Add a bit of marketing and a release for
> hornet, well artemis, (yes, you gave up on that brand) and then declare it
> ready to be activemq 6 and there you go you took over the brand with the new
> project (yes, it's the activemq brand that's important). Add a vote about
> how customers are important and the community needs to support past hornetq
> versions. While at it, add because a console is needed. On the
> community front, it would be a great idea to add a few talks from the
> community leaders at CamelOne during the jboss summit. Fwiw, I will no
> longer stay in your way. It's draining. Here's my +1 right now. You can try
> to convince Art now and can declare consensus in the PMC.
> I will also note that if it weren't for Art pointing out the naming clash,
> we wouldn't have had the argument on the [vote] thread and we wouldn't have
> learned of the intention and plan to replace activemq. Had that release
> passed, you would have been out of the woods.
> It will take me a while to figure out how I feel about all this. For now,
> I'm out.
> Hadrian
> On 04/21/2015 08:24 AM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>> TLP Description:
>> Apache ActiveMQ is a popular and powerful open source messaging
>> server. Apache ActiveMQ is fast, supports many Cross Language Clients
>> and Protocols, comes with easy to use Enterprise Integration Patterns
>> and many advanced features while fully supporting JMS 1.1 and J2EE
>> 1.4.
>> Community:
>> * The development and user lists continue to stay active.
>> * Several ActiveMQ based presentation were given at Apachecon NA.
>> * The ActiveMQ community has voted to name the HortnetQ code donation
>> ActiveMQ Artemis.
>> * Apache board members requested a special report to address what the
>> plan is of the hornetq code donation.  There were some specific
>> question what were directed at the PMC:
>>      Q. Red Hat has a product, called HornetQ, which includes a website;
>>           branding, etc.
>>      A. ActiveMQ PMC does not intend to use the HornetQ branding in any
>> code,
>>          docs or website. The code donation has been updated to remove
>> such
>>          references. The HornetQ open source project is now considered a
>> legacy
>>          project and the code is no longer maintained as the open source
>> project
>>          HornetQ. The ActiveMQ community is beginning to work together to
>>          develop a plan to take the donated code base forward and to
>> develop
>>          community around this code base.
>>      Q. The ActiveMQ PMC needs to deliver a plan for:
>>      A.  Apache ActiveMQ has multiple products with multiple versions:
>>               a.  ActiveMQ - (version 5.x.x)
>>               b.  ActiveMQ Artemis - (version 1.x.x)
>>             This means that we are not yet ready to declare that
>> ActiveMQ Artemis is the successor to ActiveMQ 5.x.  We will wait until
>> the product matures to make that decision.
>>      Q. The current chair has been the chair for *many* years and based on
>> the
>>           current status and issues in the community, I would strongly
>> suggest having
>>           a plan for potentially replacing the chair of the project.
>>      A. The PMC agrees.
>> * The PMC has voted to give the code donation a code name so that it
>> is not referred to as HornetQ anymore within ActiveMQ.
>> * IP clearance for the code donation is almost complete:
>> * At least one member of the PMC, as well as several members of the
>> community, feels strongly that disagreements and concerns are not
>> getting addressed.  They would rather have Artemis go through the
>> incubator.
>> * PMC is in discussions looking for ways to increase community diversity
>> * PMC has voted to appoint Bruce Snyder as the ActiveMQ PMC chair.
>> The PMC requests that the board approve the the following resolution:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors heretofore appointed Hiram Chirino to
>> the office of Vice President, Apache ActiveMQ, and
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors is in receipt of the resignation
>> of Hiram Chirino from the office of Vice President, Apache
>> ActiveMQ, and
>> WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache ActiveMQ
>> project has chosen by vote to recommend Bruce Snyder as the Successor
>> to the post;
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that Hiram Chirino is
>> relieved and discharged from the duties and responsibilities of
>> the office of Vice President, Apache ActiveMQ, and
>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Bruce Snyder be and hereby
>> is appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache ActiveMQ, to
>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or
>> until a successor is appointed.
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Development:
>> * Development on ActiveMQ 5.12 is in progress.
>> * Development on ActiveMQ Artemis is in progress.
>> Trademark / Branding Status:
>> * Sub-projects need to be reviewed to make sure they are also
>> compliant /w TM policies
>> * Documentation and readme files will also be reviewed for compliance
>> Releases:
>> * Apache ActiveMQ 5.11.1 - 2/17/15
>> * Apache ActiveMQ 5.10.2 - 2/17/15
>> * Apache ActiveMQ-CPP v3.8.4 - 2/19/15

Hiram Chirino
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