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From Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Special Board Report
Date Tue, 21 Apr 2015 00:11:54 GMT
Exactly. Thanks!
Hadrian

On 04/20/2015 07:50 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
> HornetQ can incubate (as the chosen code name) with full intentions of
> graduating as a sub project.  No rework would be required.
>
> We would obviously strongly encourage members from AMQ to assist with the
> mentoring.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:16 PM James Carman <james@carmanconsulting.com>
> wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth, I agree with Hadrian that HornetQ should go to the
>> incubator.  The fact that I gave up on pushing the issue doesn't mean I
>> don't think that's the right course of action.  It just didn't seem like it
>> was going to happen.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 6:46 PM Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Uhm, what were we doing for the past 2 weeks? On two lists, multiple
>>> threads?
>>>
>>> I assume you are aware of my recommendation to have hornetq grow
>>> independently in the incubator. That proposal was rejected, but no
>>> reason given besides that the RH engineers would have to do the work
>>> twice. My request was to include that in the report (or whatever other
>>> reason might exist). The way it looks is that Fuse/RH/(the Damarillo
>>> group), anyway you want to describe that faction is dead set on
>>> replacing the existing ActiveMQ with HornetQ (or whatever code name) in
>>> version 6 or 10. By keeping HornetQ under the ActiveMQ PMC influence its
>>> future will be heavily influenced by the already biased PMC and at the
>>> same time hide the lack of diversity in HornetQ. In the incubator,
>>> HornetQ will have the opportunity and freedom to grow in any direction
>>> and build a diverse community.
>>>
>>> Since there is all this concern about the viral nature of the plan, why
>>> not allow HornetQ to take its course, build more diversity in the
>>> ActiveMQ community (actually both) and influence it based on technical
>>> merits instead of abundance of votes?
>>>
>>> Does that clarify my request?
>>> Hadrian
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/20/2015 05:51 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote:
>>>> Agreed, we need to get this report published/submitted, so time is off
>>> the
>>>> essence here.
>>>>
>>>> Hadrian, you have raised some points that you would like to have
>> included
>>>> in the report, but nobody can read your mind. Please add your points to
>>> the
>>>> report so that others can see them and discuss them ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Hiram Chirino <hiram@hiramchirino.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So we are running into a time crunch here.  I'm hoping all the PMC
>>>>> members will pitch in and apply any edits to the report they deem
>>>>> necessary.  Many thanks to those who have helped out.  Seems like some
>>>>> folks are still now happy with it, so that's why have held off in
>>>>> sending it so that they get a chance to add their input.  But your
>>>>> right, I do have to send this in before the 22nd so really today is
>>>>> the last day I can hold off so that I can send it on the 21st so that
>>>>> the board has at least 24 hours to review before their meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> One more thing. It's the responsibility of the PMC chair to provide
a
>>>>> timely
>>>>>> report to the board. It's entirely his choice how he wants to go
>> about
>>>>> it,
>>>>>> what he decides to include and what to leave out. The report should
>> be
>>>>>> published in a timely manner though, so that comments (usually from
>> the
>>>>>> board) could be addressed before the meeting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Hadrian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/20/2015 05:23 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok so, then it sounds like your ok with the report the way it
is
>> right
>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <
>> hzbarcea@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have nothing to write. There were some claims made that
were not
>>>>>>>> substantiate. My request was for the party that made the
claims to
>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>> an explanation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I cannot explain somebody else's point of view. I can explain
my
>>> views
>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> anybody requires it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Hadrian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:39 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hadrian, please write up what you want to include in
the board
>>> report
>>>>>>>>> that way the rest of the PMC can review.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <
>>> hzbarcea@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> First, the report is late. Second, I don't think
it addresses the
>>>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>>> Third, I made a request to please include in the
report an
>>>>> explanation
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> why hornetq moving to the incubator is a non-starter
for Fuse
>>> crowd.
>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> very frustrating that requests get ignored.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hadrian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:16 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are they any other updates folks want to make
to this report?
>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>>>>> apply your updates soon.  The board meets on
the 22nd and I'd
>> like
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> submit the report on the 21st at the latest.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Hiram Chirino
>>>>>>>>>>> <hiram@hiramchirino.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys.  The board requested a report this
month and had some
>>>>>>>>>>>> specific questions around the hornetq code
donation.  I've put
>>> up a
>>>>>>>>>>>> first cut a report on the Wiki at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=55155578
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully we can finish off the code donation
naming vote soon
>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> report that too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hiram Chirino
>>>>>>>>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> hchirino@redhat.com | fusesource.com | redhat.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hiram Chirino
>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>> hchirino@redhat.com | fusesource.com | redhat.com
>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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