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From Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS} HornetQ & ActiveMQ's next generation
Date Fri, 27 Mar 2015 18:51:29 GMT
If by that you mean those from RH (who are the overwhelming majority 
here), yes, I understand, that's possible.

Hadrian



On 03/27/2015 02:43 PM, Jon Anstey wrote:
> All the devs writing/maintaining the code?
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Really Jon?
>>
>> How will that "make more work for everyone"? Who is everyone.
>>
>> Hadrian
>>
>>
>> On 03/27/2015 02:30 PM, Jon Anstey wrote:
>>
>>> If you read the initial thread for the code grant, the whole point was to
>>> NOT have 2 brokers & communities; it was to work together as one.
>>>
>>> "There is a lot of overlap in the capabilities of the two brokers today
>>> and
>>> it strikes us that it would be beneficial to both communities for us to
>>> join
>>> forces to build one truly great JMS broker rather than spend our time
>>> duplicating efforts on both brokers."
>>>
>>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/Possible-HornetQ-
>>> donation-to-ActiveMQ-td4682971.html
>>>
>>> IMO putting this new broker in the incubator is a bad idea and will just
>>> make more work for everyone...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 3:23 PM, James Carman <james@carmanconsulting.com
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   I'm with Hadrian on this one.  Incubation seems like the proper route
>>>> for this code, to me.  HornetQ already has a well-established
>>>> community and apparently a kick-ass code base.  One might wonder why
>>>> HornetQ wants to come here in the first place if everything is so
>>>> unicorns and rainbows.  Anyway, if there are features of AMQ that
>>>> HornetQ (or whatever name it decides to take on here at the ASF) wants
>>>> from AMQ, it can easily integrate them as they see fit, without the
>>>> burden of trying to maintain backward compatibility and develop a
>>>> smooth migration path.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Hiram Chirino <hiram@hiramchirino.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've been trying to keep quite to get an idea of different folks view
>>>>> points.  At this point I think it's fair to say that the ActiveMQ
>>>>> project has not reached consensus that the HornetQ code contribution
>>>>> is ready to become the successor to ActiveMQ 5.
>>>>>
>>>>> So calling the git repo for the code donation activemq-6, was probably
>>>>> a bad idea.  A this point I think the code donation should follow the
>>>>> path the apollo took and switch to a code name.  It should continue to
>>>>> do milestone release and solicit the help of ActiveMQ 5.x
>>>>> users/developers to help mature into the successor that it wants to
>>>>> become.
>>>>>
>>>>> We can then revisit renaming to an ActiveMQ N, once it has matured to
>>>>> the point there is little objection to it becoming the successor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [I see that some of what I put in this email has already been said
by
>>>>>> others, but I'm going to go ahead and send it, because it needs to
be
>>>>>> heard.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03/26/2015 12:02 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you take a peek at the source code for the code grant I think
>>>>>>> you'll notice that all the original HornetQ references have been
>>>>>>> removed/replaced by ActiveMQ.  So I think we are ok from a TM
>>>>>>> perspective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A much larger concern (at least to me) is not merely the naming,
but
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> perception that a completely new codebase has been brought to the
>>>>>>
>>>>> project,
>>>>
>>>>> replaced the existing work wholesale, and been called the next version.
>>>>>>
>>>>> This
>>>>
>>>>> is how it's been described to me by several different members of the
>>>>>>
>>>>> project
>>>>
>>>>> community, and their perception is that this has been done without the
>>>>>> consent of the community. This is, of course, a fairly serious
>>>>>>
>>>>> accusation.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Related to this is the assertion that the PMC has been somewhat biased
>>>>>>
>>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>> who has been invited to join their numbers, based on corporate
>>>>>>
>>>>> affiliation -
>>>>
>>>>> an even more serious accusation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The analogy that was offered to me was that of the IIS code being
>>>>>>
>>>>> imported
>>>>
>>>>> into the Apache httpd code tree, and released as httpd 3.0, by virtue
>>>>>>
>>>>> of a
>>>>
>>>>> majority Microsoft presence on the PMC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recognize that this is a very harsh accusation. The folks that
have
>>>>>> brought this concern to me have done so privately because they feel
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> their voice is ignored on the PMC list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In terms of how this situation might be resolved, two things have
been
>>>>>> suggested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Invite some of your 30+ non-PMC committers onto the PMC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Go ahead and release something based on HornetQ, just don't call
it
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> next version of ActiveMQ over the objections of the minority. (I see
>>>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>> this solution has been addressed by others, recommending that the code
>>>>>>
>>>>> be
>>>>
>>>>> taken to the incubator.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
>>>>>> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hiram Chirino
>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>> hchirino@redhat.com | fusesource.com | redhat.com
>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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