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From Rich Bowen <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS} HornetQ & ActiveMQ's next generation
Date Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:22:16 GMT
[I see that some of what I put in this email has already been said by 
others, but I'm going to go ahead and send it, because it needs to be 

On 03/26/2015 12:02 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> If you take a peek at the source code for the code grant I think
> you'll notice that all the original HornetQ references have been
> removed/replaced by ActiveMQ.  So I think we are ok from a TM
> perspective.

A much larger concern (at least to me) is not merely the naming, but the 
perception that a completely new codebase has been brought to the 
project, replaced the existing work wholesale, and been called the next 
version. This is how it's been described to me by several different 
members of the project community, and their perception is that this has 
been done without the consent of the community. This is, of course, a 
fairly serious accusation.

Related to this is the assertion that the PMC has been somewhat biased 
on who has been invited to join their numbers, based on corporate 
affiliation - an even more serious accusation.

The analogy that was offered to me was that of the IIS code being 
imported into the Apache httpd code tree, and released as httpd 3.0, by 
virtue of a majority Microsoft presence on the PMC.

I recognize that this is a very harsh accusation. The folks that have 
brought this concern to me have done so privately because they feel that 
their voice is ignored on the PMC list.

In terms of how this situation might be resolved, two things have been 

1) Invite some of your 30+ non-PMC committers onto the PMC.

2) Go ahead and release something based on HornetQ, just don't call it 
the next version of ActiveMQ over the objections of the minority. (I see 
that this solution has been addressed by others, recommending that the 
code be taken to the incubator.)

Rich Bowen - - @rbowen - @apachecon

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