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From Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Apache ActiveMQ 6.0.0 (RC3)
Date Tue, 24 Mar 2015 20:13:04 GMT
But Apollo didn't succeed, did it? And it was advertised the same way as 
activemq6 and the future of activemq.

Now it seems that you are convinced that where Apollo failed to attract 
a community HornetQ will succeed. And bare in mind that I am not talking 
at all about technical merits. Apollo has its brilliant lines of code 
and so does HornetQ, I am sure.

After all that's been said, my opinion and advice would be for you the 
HornetQ crowd to ask the pmc for a rename. My understanding is that the 
intent is not to morph the two projects, but keep HornetQ as a better 
alternative/replacement for ActiveMQ in the future. If that is true, 
staying honest and not blurring the branding lines, shows your pride 
with the better project and you'd have to work hard to convince users 
that you have something better to offer and grow a community.

Keep in mind that the ActiveMQ PMC is just the sponsoring entity, that 
is responsible to guide hornetq through the process of incubation.

Hadrian


On 03/24/2015 03:27 PM, Andy Taylor wrote:
> +1 and we have already started mining some of the amq5 code and this
> will continue. Whats great about HornetQ is its engine, its threading
> model, io and journal. take this core and take the functionality that
> amq5 has and I think you will end up with a great project and also allow
> a path for future development for the ActiveMQ community and so the name
> should reflect that in one way or another. I dont see this as any
> different from what 'ActiveMQ Apollo' tried to achieve.
>
> On 24/03/15 18:53, David Jencks wrote:
>> I think that a separate hornetQ project is a clear declaration that activemq has
no long term future.   My understanding of the situation is quite limited, but since there's
already been one attempt to replace the broker (apollo) and no attempt to modernize the existing
broker, I'd guess that it is not feasible. After apollo, I haven't seen the existing amq community
start a new broker project inside activemq, it's been maybe a couple years, so I expect it
won't happen.  so, sure hornetQ could be a different project, mine some external code from
amq, and wait for amq to die.  As I tried to indicate before, the only real way forward I
see is for the existing amq community to get behind making the former hornetQ codebase a real
amq 5 replacement.  What if you put the same amount of energy into adapting some amq code
to hornetQ as you do objecting to it's presence?    I don't understand why everyone isn't
saying, "wow, someone just gave us a many-dev-years of code advanced broker, lo
 o

>   k
>   at all the work I don't have to do!!, what can I do to help take advantage of it?"
>>
>> thanks
>> david jencks
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2015, at 12:36 PM, artnaseef <art@artnaseef.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What will it take for HornetQ to become ActiveMQ-6?  That question keeps
>>> coming to mind.
>>>
>>> At first, I was looking at the question strictly from a technical
>>> perspective.  But considering the community and Apache involvement, the
>>> answer to that question becomes more complex.
>>>
>>> Naming releases of HornetQ at activemq-6.0.0-M1 presumes that HornetQ will
>>> succeed to replace ActiveMQ, and acts as a warning to all activemq users
>>> that the change is coming.  But what if it does not succeed?  Either on
>>> technical merits or on building community?
>>>
>>> The right path from the beginning has always been the incubator path.  Let
>>> HornetQ prove itself as an Apache project and viable alternative to ActiveMQ
>>> without any attempt at using the ActiveMQ brand.
>>>
>>> Since HornetQ has been donated into ActiveMQ, we could certainly look to
>>> take some of the code from HornetQ and merge it into the existing ActiveMQ
>>> code base.
>>>
>>> No matter how we move forward, the issue of building community and HornetQ
>>> proving itself is the same.  So, the question then becomes - what benefit is
>>> there to ActiveMQ and the ActiveMQ community?  If we cannot enumerate a
>>> valid benefit for the community, then it does not belong there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>

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