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From James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>
Subject Re: [POLL] - Remove the old ActiveMQ Console
Date Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:31:41 GMT
It has the tui on by default

On Friday, January 17, 2014, Robert Davies <rajdavies@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 17 Jan 2014, at 21:53, James Carman <james@carmanconsulting.com<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > Karaf ships with a console
>
> Yes - its not installed by default - which is equivalent to option 1.
>
> >
> > On Friday, January 17, 2014, Robert Davies <rajdavies@gmail.com<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 17 Jan 2014, at 16:33, James Carman <james@carmanconsulting.com<javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Agreed.  My point was that we shouldn't just abandon the console that
> >>> comes with ActiveMQ.  A messaging "product" should have its own
> >>> console, if it is to be taken seriously by potential "customers”.
> >>
> >> I don’t buy in to that at all - having to hit refresh on the web browser
> >> in 2014 to see if the message count has increased  just doesn’t cut it -
> >> and it hasn’t for a long time.
> >> As has been said before, the argument about shipping a console to
> compete
> >> can be used for a container too - but Karaf doesn’t, it makes it
> optional -
> >> and that’s a valid point of view that’s worth replicating.
> >>
> >>> Providing an even playing field for consoles shouldn't be ActiveMQ's
> >>> primary concern.  ActiveMQ should concern itself with providing a
> >>> best-of-breed messaging system, which should include a management
> >>> console.
> >>
> >> Or point people to a host of alternatives that would enhance the user
> >> experience.  What I really don’t understand is that the people who are
> >> active committers, and actually fix the security issues as they come are
> >> all saying get rid of the console and our views are being ignored.  Its
> not
> >> our core competence, nor should it have to be - we are writing a message
> >> broker. If you feel strongly about it you are of course more than
> welcome
> >> to help write a new console that can be incorporated at a later date.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com<javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> James,
> >>>>
> >>>> 5. Is just business as usual, why should it be part of the poll? Users
> >> raise
> >>>> an issue, it gets fixed.
> >>>>
> >>>> My $0.02,
> >>>> Hadrian
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 01/17/2014 11:25 AM, James Carman wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. -1
> >>>>> 2. -1
> >>>>> 3. -1
> >>>>> 4. +1
> >>>>> 5. Resurrect the "old" console and bring it up-to-date, fixing any
> >>>>> outstanding bugs - +1
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Robert Davies <rajdavies@gmail.com<javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>
> >>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I want to take a straw poll to see where everyone stands, because
> >> opinion
> >>>>>> has varied, mine included. Straw polls can be a useful tool
to move
> >> towards
> >>>>>> consensus. This isn’t a formal vote, but to reduce the noise,
can we
> >> keep it
> >>>>>> to binding votes only ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. Have one distribution with no default console, but make it
easy
> to
> >>>>>> deploy a console on demand (the original console - or 3rd party
> ones).
> >>>>>> 2. Have two separate distributions, one with no console  - and
have
> a
> >>>>>> second distribution with the original console
> >>>>>> 3. One distribution, with hawtio as the console -  ActiveMQ
branded.
> >>>>>> 4. One distribution, but uses the original ActiveMQ console
only.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here’s my vote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1]. +1
> >>>>>> [2]  0
> >>>>>> [3] 0
> >>>>>> [4] -1
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rob
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> Rob Davies
> >> ————————
> >> Red Hat, Inc
> >> http://hawt.io - #dontcha
> >> Twitter: rajdavies
> >> Blog: http://rajdavies.blogspot.com
> >> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/
> >>
> >>
>
> Rob Davies
> ————————
> Red Hat, Inc
> http://hawt.io - #dontcha
> Twitter: rajdavies
> Blog: http://rajdavies.blogspot.com
> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/
>
>

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