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From James Carman <>
Subject Re: [POLL] - Remove the old ActiveMQ Console
Date Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:47:11 GMT
This whole "then we shouldn't use any 3rd party libraries" argument is
getting old, Hiram.  You know there's a difference between using a
library behind the scenes and the entire web console itself that the
users interact with directly. Come on, man.  Give it up.

On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Hiram Chirino <> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Daniel Kulp <> wrote:
>> That’s completely BS.     If I download “activemq-###.tar.gz” from ActiveMQ’s
website and I run the startup scripts and such that are documented in that bundle and I find
a problem that directly pertains to ActiveMQ, I COMPLETELY expect to be able to go to ActiveMQ’s
JIRA and log an issue.  I also completely expect to be able to do a “git clone” of ActiveMQ’s
repo, diagnose the problem, and submit a patch back to ActiveMQ.
> If this is true then we should not be using ANY 3rd party libs at all.
>  Most users cannot tell where the line is between 3rd party libs and
> ActiveMQ's source.  The ActiveMQ project is ultimately responsible for
> all functionality shipped (if its 3rd party or not).  If it's a 3rd
> party defect then the ActiveMQ project needs to either work around the
> defect, patch the defect in the 3rd party library or work with the 3rd
> party to fix the defect.  All 3 approaches are possible with hawtio
> too.
> --
> Hiram Chirino
> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
> | |
> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino

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