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From Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Move the ActiveMQ web-console to a sub-project.
Date Thu, 30 Jan 2014 16:12:35 GMT
Oops, didn't realize that some of the parties are actually not on 
private@. Maybe in private then.

Hadrian


On 01/30/2014 11:11 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
> Rob, please stop stretching the truth. I would strongly encourage you 
> guys if you really want to continue the discussion on this tone to do 
> it on private@.
>
> Cheers,
> Hadrian
>
>
> On 01/30/2014 03:10 AM, Robert Davies wrote:
>> Hi Johan,
>>
>> its great to know that you are earning so much money from Apache 
>> ActiveMQ!
>>
>>   I want the best experience for the end user of ActiveMQ - and 
>> that’s it - simple. Right now that’s hawtio. The old web console is 
>> frankly  well beyond love - but I can understand from a money making 
>> point of view you wouldn’t want to have hawtio as an option of end 
>> users. Which is why moving it  to a sub-project will allow you and 
>> your colleagues  to work on it - you’ll probably get even more money 
>> from your customers - or you could just save the hard work - skin 
>> hawtio however you like (Johan’s Console) - and make a mint yay!
>>
>> What ever happens in the community,  what ever console we use, if 
>> nobody uses hawtio ever again, if folks went bananas and started 
>> using other OS solutions  -  I and my “Fuse” (top 10 on [1]).  
>> colleagues get payed the same. We don’t have an interest in this for 
>> financial gain, let alone agree on what should happen - apart from 
>> the old web console is something we don’t want to work on - but when 
>> you’ve been fixing crappy bugs in for a while [1] - you may feel the 
>> same way.
>>
>> When you get a salary/bonus/shares regardless  - it enables you to 
>> make decisions that’s best for the users - I don’t think that anyone 
>> else  (your colleagues or partner companies) who want so desperately 
>> to keep the old console, have the same objectivity.
>>
>>
>> Just so its all  out there - hawtio is open source, is AS2 licence - 
>> and the community is diverse. More than one large company uses it 
>> directly in their products.  Where hawtio lives, what direction it 
>> takes is entirely down to the hawtio community -  my employer - Red 
>> Hat really doesn’t care - hawtio isn’t at the ASF for other reasons.
>>
>>
>> [1] https://www.ohloh.net/p/activemq/contributors?query=&sort=commits
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jan 2014, at 05:41, Johan Edstrom <seijoed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A big -1 that is non binding.
>>>
>>> I'm tired of this shit, let us put it all on the table.
>>> I probably made around 75k USD last year supporting and writing code 
>>> around AMQ.
>>> If you count the other work I probably made closer to 300k USD, so 
>>> yes I'm really open.
>>>
>>> I'm working with or I am surrounded by the people that benefit from 
>>> what AMQ does.
>>>
>>> So I'll go on and list the rest of the people here - Just from the 
>>> last post.
>>>
>>> Dejan, +1 - RedHat
>>> Hiram, +1 - RedHat
>>> Rob +1 - RedHat,
>>> Claus +1 RedHat,
>>>
>>> I could go on, I could also put their purchase history from Fuse to 
>>> RedHat,
>>> inspect AS Server Modules and SwitchYard.
>>> Then I could ask if there was a monetary gain in Hawt (WTF?) is 
>>> introduced into
>>> Jiras, emails, mailing lists or whatever the hell else?
>>>
>>> So - we have a PMC telling us that not using ASF code but rather RH 
>>> code is good
>>> - since it is Secure,
>>> - since it isn't the 90's
>>> - since it is what the customer wants?
>>>
>>> Does anyone actually believe this load of shit?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Kevin Earls <kearls@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Dejan Bosanac <dejan@nighttale.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Dejan Bosanac
>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>> Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat
>>>>> dbosanac@redhat.com
>>>>> Twitter: @dejanb
>>>>> Blog: http://sensatic.net
>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:01 AM, James Strachan 
>>>>> <james.strachan@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28 January 2014 15:18, Hiram Chirino <hiram@hiramchirino.com>

>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since there seems to be general agreement that the web-console

>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> be moved to a sub-project, lets put it to a vote and make it

>>>>>>> official.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Create the activemq-web-console sub-project with the 
>>>>>>> associated
>>>>>>> git, wiki, and jira spaces.
>>>>>>> [ ] -1 Veto the making it a sub-project
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Hiram Chirino
>>>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>>>> hchirino@redhat.com | fusesource.com | redhat.com
>>>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>>>>>>> blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> James
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> Red Hat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email: jstracha@redhat.com
>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews
>>>>>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Open Source Integration
>>>>>>
>> Rob Davies
>> ————————
>> Red Hat, Inc
>> http://hawt.io - #dontcha
>> Twitter: rajdavies
>> Blog: http://rajdavies.blogspot.com
>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/
>>
>>
>


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