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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:46:44 -0400
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Combine windows and unix distros
From: Jon Anstey <janstey@gmail.com>
To: dev@activemq.apache.org
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Sounds fair enough. I wanted consensus before committing this and there
have been two -1's already so I'll close the issue as won't fix.

Cheers,
Jon


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Hiram Chirino <hiram@hiramchirino.com>wrote:

> so then -1
>
> Ok so if we go with the 1 zip solution then Windows user cant use Notepad
> to edit config files and Unix users will need to chmod a+x their bin
> scripts.  Sound like loss of ease of use to both types of users.
>
> We already went through the trouble of setting up the 2 distros to give the
> end user a better experience.  I'd rather not dumb it down at the expense
> of the end user experience.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Jon Anstey <janstey@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Nothing really wrong with having 2 different distros. It's just simpler
> IMO
> > to have one set of files to manage and get right, rather than testing 2
> > different sets of files.
> >
> > Full disclosure: I'm making this change as part of JBoss Fuse
> > http://fusesource.com/issues/browse/ENTMQ-262 so its not really a
> > requirement here at Apache. Just would make my life easier :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Hiram Chirino <hiram@hiramchirino.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I guess I just don't understand what's wrong with having 2 different
> > > distros.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Jon Anstey <janstey@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Jim,
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, its does add stuff to each distribution but its a really small
> > > > difference. Less than 1MB in either case IIRC. Guess we don't HAVE to
> > > make
> > > > this change, but I'm still for it :-) Anyone else have a preference
> > > either
> > > > way?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Jon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Jim Gomes <e.semog@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Jon,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's true.  I don't use Wordpad, but it is an option.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I'm still leaning against this change for other reasons.
>  I
> > > like
> > > > > having leaner distributions.  By combining everything, the Windows
> > > > > distribution will now grow to include the 32-bit and 64-bit Linux,
> > plus
> > > > the
> > > > > MacOS files.  Likewise, the Linux distribution will get the Windows
> > and
> > > > > MacOS files.  From a packaging perspective, I get what's being
> > > > recommended.
> > > > >  It's much simpler.  However, from a deployment perspective, it's
> > > > > introducing cruft.  I'm not sure the trade-off is worth it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Full disclosure: I maintain a custom WiX installation script for my
> > > > company
> > > > > that repackages the ZIP file into a Windows MSI, so this change
> would
> > > not
> > > > > really have a direct impact on me.  I cherry pick out the files
> (and
> > > add
> > > > in
> > > > > some more) that we want to install.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Jon Anstey <janstey@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wordpad understands unix line endings so that can be used in
> those
> > > > > > production situations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Jon
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jim Gomes <e.semog@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The only drawback is that a lot of the time you can't put your
> > > > favorite
> > > > > > dev
> > > > > > > tools on a production machine, and you are stuck with using
> > Notepad
> > > > to
> > > > > > edit
> > > > > > > config files.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Christian Posta
> > > > > > > <christian.posta@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Timothy Bish <
> > > > tabish121@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just use nix line endings and those masochists using
> notepad
> > > will
> > > > > > > likely
> > > > > > > > > enjoy the added pain.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 03/28/2013 11:56 AM, Jon Anstey wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different
> > > scripts
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > libs
> > > > > > > > >> depending on the platform:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> [janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r
> apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip
> > > > > > > > >> apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script
> that
> > > > > > produces
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > >> zip
> > > > > > > > >> and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects
> do
> > > this
> > > > > > > > already:
> > > > > > > > >> CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same
> kit
> > > on
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > > >> platforms, which makes things simpler I think.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Opened a ticket here
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/AMQ-4414
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414>and
> > > > > > > > >> also a pull request so folks could try it out if they
> want.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> https://github.com/apache/**activemq/pull/2<
> > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows
> line
> > > > > endings
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > >> shared things like properties files and config, but I
> think
> > we
> > > > can
> > > > > > > live
> > > > > > > > >> with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text
> > > editors
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > > >> notepad :-)
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Tim Bish
> > > > > > > > > Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc.
> > > > > > > > > tim.bish@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com
> > > > > > > > > skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121
> > > > > > > > > blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > *Christian Posta*
> > > > > > > > http://www.christianposta.com/blog
> > > > > > > > twitter: @christianposta
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Jon
> > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > Red Hat, Inc.
> > > > > > Email: janstey@redhat.com
> > > > > > Web: http://redhat.com
> > > > > > Twitter: jon_anstey
> > > > > > Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> > > > > > Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Jon
> > > > ---------------
> > > > Red Hat, Inc.
> > > > Email: janstey@redhat.com
> > > > Web: http://redhat.com
> > > > Twitter: jon_anstey
> > > > Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> > > > Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > **
> > >
> > > *Hiram Chirino*
> > >
> > > *Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.*
> > >
> > > *hchirino@redhat.com <hchirino@redhat.com> | fusesource.com |
> redhat.com
> > *
> > >
> > > *skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino<
> > > http://twitter.com/hiramchirino>
> > > *
> > >
> > > *blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo <http://hiramchirino.com/blog/>*
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Jon
> > ---------------
> > Red Hat, Inc.
> > Email: janstey@redhat.com
> > Web: http://redhat.com
> > Twitter: jon_anstey
> > Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> > Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> **
>
> *Hiram Chirino*
>
> *Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.*
>
> *hchirino@redhat.com <hchirino@redhat.com> | fusesource.com | redhat.com*
>
> *skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino<
> http://twitter.com/hiramchirino>
> *
>
> *blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo <http://hiramchirino.com/blog/>*
>


-- 
Cheers,
Jon
---------------
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