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Subject svn commit: r440484 [4/5] - /incubator/activemq/site/
Date Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:51:35 GMT
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-                            created by <B>    <A href="http://goopen.org/display/~rgould">Richard Gould</A></B>  (<A href="mailto:rgould@refractions.net">rgould@refractions.net</A>)        on Aug 28, 2006 14:49
+                            created by <B>    <A href="http://goopen.org/display/~bowens">Brent Owens</A></B>  (<A href="mailto:brentowens@gmail.com">brentowens@gmail.com</A>)        on Sep 05, 2006 15:39
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-<P>1: SQLBuilder and sorting<BR>
-2: Backward Compatibility vs Clover</P>
+<P>1) demo coordination  <BR>
+2) release of a WCS demo against a GeoTools 2.3.M0  <BR>
+3) intergrate a complex-feature inspired datastore plugin  <BR>
+4) spring remoting service collision <BR>
+5) release train <BR>
+6) ibiblio</P>
 
-<P>rgould: 1) SQLBuilder and sorting: jdeolive <BR>
-jdeolive: i just wanted to open up a discussion, did anyone read my rant on the list<BR>
-aaime: Just did<BR>
-rgould: I glanced at it, but I&apos;m not that familiar with that area of the code<BR>
-aaime: Adding to SQLBuilder should be easy since the order by clause is standard sql<BR>
-jdeolive: that is what i thought as a well<BR>
-jdeolive: its not a big change<BR>
-aaime: for everyone else, just keep the naive approach<BR>
-aaime: (in memory sorting)<BR>
-aaime: and warn the user that this may happen<BR>
-aaime: On a shapefile, for example<BR>
-jdeolive: well i am not sure what other code i will hit right away<BR>
-aaime: there&apos;s no way out unless we build extra indexes like ESRI did<BR>
-jdeolive: for now postgis is my test bed<BR>
-jdeolive: shapefile is hard, do we have generic attribute indexing code<BR>
-aaime: None<BR>
-jdeolive: i know you did some btree stuff a while back andrea<BR>
-aaime: Me? No<BR>
-jdeolive: oh, my bad<BR>
-aaime: I played with spatial indexes a bit<BR>
-aaime: but that&apos;s another story<BR>
-jdeolive: Jesse_Eichar may have done some work in that area<BR>
-jdeolive: anyways, the SQLBuilder interface is specific to jdbc so the rest of the codebase can remain with the same support for sorting<BR>
-jdeolive: and we can gradually transfer them over<BR>
-jdeolive: shapefile would be nice to have, but perhaps for the final wfs 1.1 deliverable<BR>
-aaime: So we state in the javadocs that sorting may be unsupported?<BR>
-jdeolive: i dont think so, let me check the Query interface<BR>
-aaime: We would have to provide code some way to tell if the results are sorted or not<BR>
-aaime: so that anyone can write generic code and fall back on in-memory sorting if necessary<BR>
-aaime: Otherwise we do create an API that one cannot work against...<BR>
-aaime: (at least, not generically...)<BR>
-aaime: Do we have a concept of capabilities in the data stores?<BR>
-jdeolive: well from an api point of view currently, sorting is supported, but it is ignored by all datastores<BR>
-jdeolive: nope<BR>
-jdeolive: but it would be nice<BR>
-jdeolive: i can think of a couple of uses for it<BR>
-jdeolive: sorting would be one<BR>
-jdeolive: crs reprojection support would be another<BR>
-jdeolive: that is a pretty big fish to fry at this point<BR>
-aaime: Hmmm... didn&apos;t we add a reprojecting feature reader while back?<BR>
-jdeolive: yes<BR>
-aaime: I thought every datastore would be using that now<BR>
-jdeolive: but i was more thinking of doing the reprojection on the server side<BR>
-jdeolive: like postgis with proj linked in<BR>
-jdeolive: it woudl be faster then sucking all data out and reprojecting on teh fly<BR>
-aaime: I&apos;m not sure about that<BR>
-aaime: and besides, it would be supported only by a few datastores<BR>
-aaime: finally, I have the impression data stores know less CRS than we do?<BR>
-aaime: think also about custom CRS and the cascading CRS authority Martin is building<BR>
-jdeolive: fair enough, it was just an example<BR>
-aaime: No, it&apos;s a good one<BR>
-aaime: but delegating to the server is not always possible<BR>
-aaime: so you have to keep both code paths around<BR>
-jdeolive: oh definitley, i wasn;t implying that you wouldn&apos;t need the fallback code<BR>
-jdeolive: just a lot of operations can be optimized on the server and that the notion of capabilities would be a good way to express that<BR>
-jdeolive: but it also requirs a smarter client<BR>
-jdeolive: so who knows<BR>
-jdeolive: anyways, gettign back on track<BR>
-jdeolive: hopefully a few more people will chime up on the list<BR>
-aaime: Ok.<BR>
-jdeolive: andrea, if you could reply with your concern about api documentation and not supporting sorting that would be good<BR>
-jdeolive: and perhaps an implementation of some in memory sorting code<BR>
-aaime: Well, that&apos;s easy :-p<BR>
-aaime: Just assume the attribute you&apos;re sorting against it&apos;s comparable <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-aaime: If we go beyond that, we need a ComparatoryFactory somewhere<BR>
-jdeolive: sorry, i wasn&apos;;t asking for the how, just that it is needed <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-aaime: Oh, sorry man <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-jdeolive: i think i still have my 1st year data structures and algorithms book lying around somwhere <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-jdeolive: no worries<BR>
-jdeolive: so unless anyone has anything else i am all done<BR>
-groldan: now that you&apos;ve talk about SQLBuilder<BR>
-groldan: I have a somewhat unrelated question<BR>
-groldan: in the upgrade path to GeoAPI Filter, what we could do with the lack of FilterVisitor?<BR>
-jdeolive: good question<BR>
-groldan: if we&apos;re going to not having to cast all the time to the geotools impl<BR>
-jdeolive: i brought up the lack of a FIlterVisitor with geoapi<BR>
-jdeolive: and was rejected<BR>
-aaime: Why?<BR>
-desruisseaux: By who?<BR>
-jdeolive: but when jody actually looked at the api again, he suggested it<BR>
-jdeolive: jody<BR>
-aaime: So what&apos;s the situation now?<BR>
-jdeolive: i think it is generally agreed to be a good idea, jsut have to add teh interface<BR>
-aaime: Ok<BR>
-groldan: so there is still hope?<BR>
-jdeolive: actually, i am sorry, i was thinking of FeatureVisitor<BR>
-jdeolive: there is a FilterVisitor in geoapi<BR>
-jdeolive: an ExpressionVisitor as well<BR>
-groldan: sure? so my bad, sorry<BR>
-jdeolive: yup, it should be in there<BR>
-jdeolive: however the geotools code is still pretty tied to the old interface<BR>
-aaime: Btw, about the b-tree support, I&apos;m mailing the original hsql author... keep fingers crossed<BR>
-groldan: it is, I would have been confused by FeatureVisitor<BR>
-jdeolive: no worries, so was I <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-aaime: Next topic?<BR>
-rgould: ok, desruisseaux, did you want to bring up your question?<BR>
-desruisseaux: Minor question about backward compatibility<BR>
-desruisseaux: Some non-static inner classes were changed as static inner classes in order to workaround a Clover bug.<BR>
-desruisseaux: But those inner classes was part of public API.<BR>
-desruisseaux: So we have an (admitly small) compatibility break.<BR>
-aaime: Ah, my bad...<BR>
-desruisseaux: If in a future version Clover fix their bug and we switch back to non-static inner class, it would be an other compatibility break.<BR>
-desruisseaux: No worry Andrea<BR>
-aaime: I hardly imagine anyone using/extending those directly thought<BR>
-desruisseaux: Those classes are in a small corner of the API.<BR>
-desruisseaux: Yes, this is why the compatibility break may not hurt a lot of peoples. But it may hurt some - no idea how many.<BR>
-desruisseaux: Just wanted to known what people feel about that.<BR>
-aaime: Well, we did not release with the changes applied, right? Besides, would we need to go back?<BR>
-rgould: was this on trunk or 2.2.x or both?<BR>
-desruisseaux: There is no release with the changes applied (expept 2.3-M0). Going back would just provides a slightly more &quot;elegant&quot; API.<BR>
-aaime: Well, I never seen those classes before applying the fix...<BR>
-desruisseaux: We could put the question in an other way. To we refrain ourself from using a language feature (in this particular case, non-static inner class) for working around a clover bug, or to we hope for a bug fix in a future clover release?<BR>
-aaime: I don&apos;t see the difference style wise... Martin, do you have a java style book?<BR>
-aaime: (I had one for C++ for example)<BR>
-desruisseaux: I don&apos;t have any java style book. It was just about using a language feature in the way is was designed... I means, when an inner class want access to non-static methods of the enclosing class, non-static inner classes were added to the Java language exactly for that.<BR>
-aaime: My point of view is that having a tool to asses code coverage is order or magnitude more important than using a language feature<BR>
-groldan: I guess that if the inner class was converted to static inner without problem, that means that it should have been static from the beginning<BR>
-aaime: Yet, if nobody besides me is using it now<BR>
-aaime: then it&apos;s probably not as important to others <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-desruisseaux: The inner classes were converted to static inner class with the addition of a private field which is an instance of the enclosing class. This is the addition of this private field which is duplicating the non-static inner class mechanism.<BR>
-aaime: Yes, this is true<BR>
-desruisseaux: I admit that a good tool for measuring test coverage is very valuable.<BR>
-aaime: I tried two<BR>
-aaime: clover and cobertura<BR>
-aaime: unfortunately the cobertura plugin does not handle multi-module projects<BR>
-aaime: the build from the top level just breaks with it<BR>
-aaime: so I was left with clover on nothing ;-(<BR>
-aaime: (clover <EM>or</EM> nothing)<BR>
-aaime: I wouldn&apos;t have changed classes otherwise<BR>
-desruisseaux: I realize that and I appreciate a lot your effort. Just trying to put pros and cons in the balance. I guess that the referencing module was about the only one to use non-static inner classes?<BR>
-aaime: Yes<BR>
-aaime: Martin, when I looked at that code I found inheriting from an inner class defined in the base class, well, quite convoluted<BR>
-aaime: was the first time I found code doing that<BR>
-aaime: Maybe it&apos;s just me, I don&apos;t like inner classes anyways...<BR>
-aaime: (the only exclusion is anonymous inner ones because otherwise swing code would be unreadable...)<BR>
-aaime: Anyway, Martin, reading again your question<BR>
-aaime: No, it&apos;s not the only one using non static inner classes<BR>
-aaime: it&apos;s the only one having a non static inner class inheriting from another non static inner class<BR>
-aaime: that&apos;s what breaks Clover<BR>
-aaime: given that it&apos;s a tool used in many open source project and nobody complained so far<BR>
-aaime: it seems you have used one of those rarely know language features <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-aaime: An example of inner-class happy code is the DataUtilities... makes me sick every time I look at it <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-aaime: (sorry Jody(<BR>
-desruisseaux: A few years ago, Sun documentation said that using inner class instead of a private field to the enclosing class may allows some additional compiler optimization. I don&apos;t know if it still true today however.<BR>
-desruisseaux: (HotSpot compiler tend to be pretty good)<BR>
-aaime: Yeah... it improved a lot just between 1.5.0_07 and 1.5.0_08 <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-aaime: (I do see Eclipse go faster, and I&apos;m not the only one)<BR>
-aaime: So, are we done?<BR>
-rgould: looks like it</P>
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+<PRE>brent_	anyone know if Jody is coming?
+	quintona	i believe not
+	brent_	oh
+	brent_	anyone else know what he wanted to discuss exactly with the proposed agenda items?
+	quintona	he sent a mail to the list this morn
+	benguela	I know something about 4) spring remoting service collision
+	quintona	hang on
+	quintona	Here is what I would like covered in the evening meeting:
+	quintona	1. demo coordination
+	quintona	2. (important) release of a WCS demo against a GeoTools 2.3.M0 (see
+	quintona	geotools meeting for details)
+	quintona	3. (important) discussion of ability to intergrate a complex-feature
+	quintona	inspired datastore plugin as a 1.5.x community module
+	quintona	4. spring remoting service collision, we need a naming convention or
+	quintona	something for the community module URLs
+	quintona	5. GeoServer 1.4.0 release train, apparently Brent has taken over, I
+	quintona	think all docs are available now
+	quintona	Cheers, Jody
+	jdeolive	i think i can comment on 3 and 4
+	brent_	ok
+	brent_	lets start with the first
+	brent_	1) demo coordination
+	brent_	geoserver workshop is on the wednesday
+	brent_	I&apos;m not sure what else we are coordinating with
+	jdeolive	probably wcs guys
+	brent_	ah
+	jdeolive	i emailed them asking for some info about their demo, but nothing back yet
+	brent_	k
+	jdeolive	i would like to show some of there stuff off in my talk, butnot exactly sure how
+	brent_	do they have a timeslot or are they sharing with us?
+	brent_	yeh me too
+	jdeolive	i am not sure
+	jdeolive	i dont think they are sharing with us
+	brent_	k, well lets wait to talk with them
+	jdeolive	alrighty
+	brent_	2) release of a WCS
+	brent_	guess we need the WCS guys for this
+	jdeolive	again i think we have to wait on simone and alessio for more info
+	brent_	3) integrate complex-feature datastore
+	jdeolive	this has to do with roba stuff
+	brent_	right
+	jdeolive	basically getting some of the complex-features stuff / fm stuff on trunk
+	jdeolive	and then supporting it in geoserver
+	jdeolive	the geoserver side of things is pretty simple
+	jdeolive	wont be hard to just throw something in community for it
+	jdeolive	almost all the work is is geotools
+	brent_	is there funding for it (ie, is anyone tasked to do it?)
+	jdeolive	i beleive rob is working on it
+	brent_	cool
+	jdeolive	rob wants to get some of us together at foss and talk about what is required and what pieces are on teh table
+	brent_	ok
+	brent_	4) spring remoting collisions
+	jdeolive	If i am not mistaken, the issue is that a bunch of the community modules use spring remoting
+	jdeolive	but for it to work you need to map a context path to it in web.xml
+	jdeolive	and geoserver does not do that today
+	jdeolive	quintona, can you comment any further on this?
+	benguela	the url dispatcher/* is mapped to the geoserver dispatcher, spring modules can map another url to their own dispatcher but then modules can conflict with each other
+	jdeolive	right, i had this problem before as well
+	jdeolive	so on trunk
+	jdeolive	in web xml, the contexts are mapped manually
+	jdeolive	wms/*, wfs/*, ows/*
+	jdeolive	and in dispatcher-servlet.xml
+	jdeolive	everything gets mapped to the same handler
+	--&gt;|	groldan (n=gabriel@217.130.79.209) has joined #geoserver
+	jdeolive	so perhaps in dispatcher-servlet.xml, we should break them out seperatley as well
+	jdeolive	then the remoting guys can just throw in a handler for remoting/* and do their magic
+	|&lt;--	cholmes has left freenode (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
+	benguela	so is it first come first server ?
+	benguela	server = serve
+	jdeolive	yes
+	appetkov	which item are we on?
+	jdeolive	4)
+	jdeolive	i will reply to jody&apos;s email with my suggestion and see what peoiple think
+	appetkov	did we start backwards or am I really that late?
+	benguela	ok, I can live with that
+	jdeolive	there is still a potential for collision, but at least this allows for a convention
+	jdeolive	ha, we are just really fast today :)
+	brent_	fast
+	jdeolive	mostly because noone from wcs was around
+	jdeolive	perhaps alex can comment on a few of the earlier issues
+	appetkov	i can based on my discussions with alessio and simone
+	jdeolive	cool
+	jdeolive	the first is we are wondering what they have planned for demos at foss
+	jdeolive	and if they are going to be doing a release before foss
+	appetkov	do you want to finish 4) first?
+	jdeolive	sure
+	jdeolive	i think we are done though unless qunitona has any more concerns?
+	quintona	will wait for your mail thanks
+	jdeolive	alrighty
+	jdeolive	so alex i think you are up
+	appetkov	1) demo-- I nad no discussion with Alessio or Simone on a demo, although I can guess..
+	appetkov	are they supposed to prepare a demo, for someone to show?
+	jdeolive	well i talked to simone
+	jdeolive	and he said they were getting ready for foss
+	jdeolive	i just assumed it would be getting wcs stuff reayd to show
+	appetkov	OK, they will probably show speed imporvements, along with the new ImageMosaic coverage lugin
+	gawaine	excuse me, do you know if I can use an alternative repository to ibiblio ? It&apos;s very slowly and sometimes it can&apos;t allow me to download some files (actually I&apos;m trying to download wicket-extensions, needed to compile geoserver1.4)
+	jdeolive	hi gawain, we can throw this on as an agenda item
+	gawaine	it can&apos;t allow / it doesn&apos;t allow (excuse my english)
+	jdeolive	5) alternate repositories
+	jdeolive	so appetkov, can you explain a little about whats involved in showing off the image mosaic plugin
+	jdeolive	execute my ignorance
+	appetkov	for example, the plugin is useful for requesting only needed tiles (depending on a zoom level)
+	appetkov	in showing it off?
+	appetkov	1. building an index shapefile
+	=-=	brent_ has changed the topic to &quot;1) demo coordination 2) release of a WCS demo against a GeoTools 2.3.M0 3) intergrate a complex-feature inspired datastore plugin 4) spring remoting service collision 5) release train 6) ibiblio&quot;
+	appetkov	2. configure the coverage using the ImageMosaic plugin
+	appetkov	3. make a (for example) getmap request
+	appetkov	did that help?
+	jdeolive	yes it did, thank you
+	brent_	next topic?
+	jdeolive	are there docs somewhere?
+	appetkov	the correct SRS info is now showing for coverages too--no more incorrect SRS for coverages
+	appetkov	go to 2)?
+	jdeolive	sounds good
+	brent_	2) release of a WCS demo against a GeoTools 2.3.M0
+	appetkov	Since I really want and need to use the 1.4.x WCS branch in production, I told Simone that I want to help with the release
+	jdeolive	cool
+	appetkov	at least make a tar.gz one...
+	jdeolive	so i think the first step is getting simone and allessio to annouce when trunk is stable enough to make a release from
+	jdeolive	trunk = geotools
+	appetkov	He wants to have Alessio work on it either at the end of this week or next week
+	appetkov	OK
+	jdeolive	in all honesty, geotools releases tend to take a while these days, so i am not sure what can get done before foss
+	jdeolive	but after
+	jdeolive	i have offered to help with the release as well
+	jdeolive	and shortly after i want to move there stuff to trunk
+	jdeolive	after the 1.4.0 release off of trunk
+	appetkov	usially when a geserver release is out--Alessio alignes WCS with trunk and makes one
+	jdeolive	alright, so perhaps once we get 1.4.0 out, allesio will align and release
+	appetkov	yes, I think that is reasonable
+	jdeolive	i beleive that brent is doing the next milestone release, or RC0 this week
+	jdeolive	brent_?
+	brent_	depending on time, it might be a milestone release, or an experimental release just for FOSS
+	jdeolive	ok
+	appetkov	if I am to work on a release it will have to be on my own time--bryce has other thigns for me at work here...
+	brent_	whether it is passing cite tests or not
+	appetkov	and I will ask for Justin&apos;s help :-)
+	jdeolive	that sounds good appetkov, like i said after foss i am going to spend some of my time getting all tehse releases in order
+	jdeolive	:)
+	jdeolive	so i might call on your for some acceptance testing
+	jdeolive	:)
+	--&gt;|	robjderr (n=chatzill@rrcs-71-41-126-218.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #geoserver
+	appetkov	yeah I&apos;ve been doing quite a bit of that with the WCS branch
+	jdeolive	so does anything have any more on this, we kind of tackled both 2 and 5 there
+	brent_	do we want to seguey to topic 5) release train?
+	appetkov	when is foss going to be over?
+	brent_	sept 15
+	appetkov	thanks
+	brent_	5) release train
+	brent_	to answer jody, no I&apos;m not taking over the 1.4 releases. I just have to get one out this week for FOSS
+	brent_	if we can combine it with a milestone that would be sweet
+	brent_	so I am aiming for that
+	brent_	and if all the docs are done, they are are gold for the next milestone release I believe... justin?
+	|&lt;--	quintona has left freenode (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
+	jdeolive	yup, its really just docs that are needed for the official release
+	brent_	ok
+	jdeolive	so shall we move to 6)
+	brent_	yep
+	brent_	6) ibibibibibiblio
+	jdeolive	gawaine, i dont know of any ibliblio mirrors off the top of my head
+	jdeolive	but if you find one
+	jdeolive	you can configure maven to use it
+	jdeolive	information here
+	jdeolive	http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-mirror-settings.html
+	sigq	Title: Maven - Guide to Mirror Settings (at maven.apache.org)
+	gawaine	jdeolive: yes I know, but the problem is to find a mirror :)
+	jdeolive	ok i see
+	jdeolive	i just did some quick searching, couldn&apos;t find one
+	brent_	anything else?
+	brent_	ok, lets call it. Thanks for coming everyone
+	appetkov	thanks brent
+	jdeolive	gawaine, have you tried any of the mirrors listed on that page
+	jdeolive	this one seems fast
+	jdeolive	http://ibiblio.lsu.edu/main/pub/packages/maven2/
+	sigq	Title: Index of /main/pub/packages/maven2 (at ibiblio.lsu.edu)
+	jdeolive	depending on where you are i guess, where are you located?
+	gawaine	jdeolive: italy
+	gawaine	now I try it
+	jdeolive	this one seems ok too
+	jdeolive	and its in europe
+	jdeolive	http://maven.sateh.com/repository/
+	sigq	Title: Index of /repository/ (at maven.sateh.com)
+	gawaine	wow, ibiblio.lsu works fine, thanks :)
+	jdeolive	cool, good to know, i think i will try one of hte U.S. mirrors, ibliblio is darn frustrating
+	gawaine	jdeolive: actually, does geoserver1.4 placed on the svn works ? I&apos;ve to show a demo of geoserver with wcs for a project tomorrow
+	appetkov	you may need a bit more time for that
+	appetkov	but yes, it works
+	&lt;--|	benguela has left #geoserver
+	gawaine	appetkov: I need to show a demo with some data catched from postgis and a 2d raster, all with the wfs-t
+	jdeolive	i tried to compile it today and it failed
+	jdeolive	but alex here can better comment
+	appetkov	i am not understanding the raster-&gt;wfs-t part, sorry
+	gawaine	ok, yes, &quot;mvn install&quot; aborts with several errors
+	appetkov	I will check--there was that &quot;beta&quot; dependency from a few days ago...
+	gawaine	java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: The provided format image/png is not the same as expected: image/gif
+	appetkov	hehe, skip the test :-)
+	gawaine	appetkov: how ? I don&apos;t know much about mvn
+	appetkov	one sec....
+	appetkov	mvn -Dmaven.test.skip clean install
+	appetkov	so, you want to demo (show) data from postgis and a 2d raster, correct?
+	gawaine	appetkov: correct
+	appetkov	ie, you are not looking to modify the raster using a wfs-t (because the raster is not a featureType), correct?
+	gawaine	appetkov: correct
+	appetkov	OK then, it is possible
+	gawaine	wonderful :D
+	appetkov	time may be a factor, az you said you need it tomorrow and is now late in Italy :-)
+	gawaine	appetkov: oh, I&apos;ve time, the project I&apos;m working depends by this demo
+	appetkov	ok get theh geoserver SVN to compile first
+	appetkov	(FWIW, it compiled here...)
+	gawaine	ok &quot;mvn -Dmaven.test.skip clean install&quot; returns a BUILD SUCCESFUL
+	appetkov	change to the web subdirectory
+	gawaine	done
+	appetkov	then you can run it with &quot;
+	appetkov	mvn -e jetty6:run
+	appetkov	it will probably throw an error
+	gawaine	at the moment, it&apos;s downloading... mvn downloads ever
+	appetkov	are you running it with java 1.4?
+	gawaine	appetkov: no, java 5
+	appetkov	well, what version of java do you have instaled?
+	appetkov	OK thanks
+	appetkov	does it have JAI, and imageIO?
+	gawaine	yes
+	appetkov	OK it should work fine then
+	appetkov	(it really needs to work with java 1.4 to begin with...)
+	gawaine	while it downloads, this command starts geoserver or deploy it ?
+	appetkov	it will start geoserver , using the jetty plugin for maven2
+	appetkov	after that first time, given that everyting works OK, you will start it with &quot;mvn -e jetty6:run-exploded&quot; so you configuration persists
+	gawaine	appetkov: mapbuilder is included ?
+	appetkov	i think so, i dont quite remember
+	gawaine	wonderful, yes, it&apos;s included
+	appetkov	looks like it started fine
+	gawaine	appetkov: do you know what formats are supported for rasters ?
+	appetkov	if it did, like I said, use &quot;run-exploded&quot; so any changes you make to the configuration will remain
+	appetkov	World Image files, GEotiff, among others...
+	appetkov	there is a list inder &quot;coverage store&quot;, it will give you full listing of supported formats
+	gawaine	thanks a lot :)
+</PRE>
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+                                                    <B><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/2006/09/05/Skype%20Logs%20September%205th">Skype Logs September 5th (updated)</A></B>
                         
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+                            updated by <B>    <A href="http://goopen.org/display/~jive">Jody Garnett</A></B> (<A href="mailto:jgarnett@refractions.net">jgarnett@refractions.net</A>) to
+            <A href="http://goopen.org/display/GEOS/2006/09/05/Skype%20Logs%20September%205th">revision 2</A>
+            on Sep 05, 2006 03:08.
+                    created by <B>    <A href="http://goopen.org/display/~jive">Jody Garnett</A></B>  (<A href="mailto:jgarnett@refractions.net">jgarnett@refractions.net</A>)        on Sep 05, 2006 03:07
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-    <P>The Codehaus XFire team is proud to announce XFire 1.2! XFire is an open source Java SOAP framework built on a high performance, streaming XML model. XFire includes support for web service standards, an easy to use API, Spring integration, JBI support, and plugable bindings for POJOs, JAXB, and XMLBeans.</P>
+    <P>Not enough attendance to run meeting, assume everyone is busy getting ready for next week.</P>
 
-<P>Please <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://xfire.codehaus.org/XFire%201.2%20Release%20Notes" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">see the release notes<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN> for download information and upgrade instructions.</P>
+<P>Here is what I would like covered in the evening meeting:</P>
+<OL>
+	<LI>demo coordination</LI>
+	<LI>(important) release of a WCS demo against a GeoTools 2.3.M0 (see geotools meeting for details)</LI>
+	<LI>(important) discussion of ability to intergrate a complex-feature inspired datastore plugin as a 1.5.x community module</LI>
+	<LI>spring remoting service collision, we need a naming convention or something for the community module URLs</LI>
+	<LI>GeoServer 1.4.0 release train, apparently Brent has taken over, I think all docs are available now</LI>
+</OL>
 
-<P>XFire 1.2 incorporates several new features and improvements since 1.1:</P>
-<UL>
-	<LI><A href="http://goopen.org/display/XFIRE/JiBX" title="JiBX">JiBX</A> databinding support</LI>
-	<LI>HTTP GZIP Support</LI>
-	<LI>WSDL2Java now auto generates services.xml</LI>
-	<LI><A href="http://goopen.org/display/XFIRE/Aegis%20Binding" title="Aegis Binding">Aegis binding</A> inheritance support</LI>
-	<LI>Option to disable server stub generation</LI>
-</UL>
 
+<P>Cheers, Jody</P>
 
-<P>Many thanks to those who helped build and test this release!</P>
+<P><SPAN class="error">&#91;8:59:59 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: So I was trying to start this meeting earlier as RobA asked us to move it 30 mins earlier so he could attend.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:12:28 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: Gabriel is leaving to an appointment, and nobody else is here.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:13:17 AM&#93;</SPAN> Clint Lewis says: hi..<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:13:54 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: well lets just leave this open in case simboss, alessio or someone shows up.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:14:04 AM&#93;</SPAN> Clint Lewis says: ok cool will do that<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:14:25 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: I did learn yesterday that Brent has taken over getting GeoServer 1.4.0 out the door, so we should be looking to him for any volunteer activities needed.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:15:02 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: I think the last show stopper was the lack of the helloapp tutorial. I assume brent will migrate the geosdev content to the geosdoc wiki space.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:16:49 AM&#93;</SPAN> Clint Lewis says: ok<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:59:41 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: okay I will post this <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></P>
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+                <TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">Not enough attendance to run meeting, assume everyone is busy getting ready for next week.</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">&nbsp;</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">Here is what I would like covered in the evening meeting:</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange"># demo coordination</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange"># (important) release of a WCS demo against a GeoTools 2.3.M0 (see geotools meeting for details)</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange"># (important) discussion of ability to intergrate a complex-feature inspired datastore plugin as a 1.5.x community module</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange"># spring remoting service collision, we need a naming convention or something for the community module URLs</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange"># GeoServer 1.4.0 release train, apparently Brent has taken over, I think all docs are available now</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">&nbsp;</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">Cheers, Jody</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">&nbsp;</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">[8:59:59 AM] Jody Garn... says: So I was trying to start this meeting earlier as RobA asked us to move it 30 mins earlier so he could attend.</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">[9:12:28 AM] Jody Garn... says: Gabriel is leaving to an appointment, and nobody else is here.</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">[9:13:17 AM] Clint Lewis says: hi..</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD valign="top" class="diffnav" width="1%"><A name="change0"></A>&nbsp;</TD><TD valign="top" class="diffnav" width="1%">&nbsp;<TD class="diffdeleted">[9:13:31 AM] * Clint Lewis added Gerhard Goosen to this chat</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">[9:13:54 AM] Jody Garn... says: well lets just leave this open in case simboss, alessio or someone shows up.</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">[9:14:04 AM] Clint Lewis says: ok cool will do that</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">[9:14:25 AM] Jody Garn... says: I did learn yesterday that Brent has taken over getting GeoServer 1.4.0 out the door, so we should be looking to him for any volunteer activities needed.</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">[9:15:02 AM] Jody Garn... says: I think the last show stopper was the lack of the helloapp tutorial. I assume brent will migrate the geosdev content to the geosdoc wiki space.</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">[9:16:49 AM] Clint Lewis says: ok</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">[9:59:41 AM] Jody Garn... says: okay I will post this :)</TD></TR>
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-                                                    <B><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/2006/08/22/IRC%20logs%20Aug%2022,%20meeting%202">IRC logs Aug 22, meeting 2 (updated)</A></B>
+                                                    <B><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/2006/09/04/IRC%20Meeting%20-%204%20September%202006">IRC Meeting - 4 September 2006 (created)</A></B>
                         
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-            <A href="http://goopen.org/display/GEOS/2006/08/22/IRC%20logs%20Aug%2022,%20meeting%202">revision 2</A>
-            on Aug 22, 2006 15:20.
-                    created by <B>    <A href="http://goopen.org/display/~bowens">Brent Owens</A></B>  (<A href="mailto:brentowens@gmail.com">brentowens@gmail.com</A>)        on Aug 22, 2006 15:17
+                            created by <B>    <A href="http://goopen.org/display/~rgould">Richard Gould</A></B>  (<A href="mailto:rgould@refractions.net">rgould@refractions.net</A>)        on Sep 04, 2006 14:39
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-<OL>
-	<LI>GISP 4</LI>
-	<LI>Geoserver and GADS</LI>
-	<LI>2D and 3D bbox</LI>
-	<LI>HSQL vs WKT for EPSG</LI>
-</OL>
+<P>1: ArcSDE backto be build? how?<BR>
+2: 2.3 release?</P>
 
+<P>cholmes: sure<BR>
+jgarnett: anything else important?<BR>
+jgarnett: I got some questions about trunk going crazy with new modules (I think justin is hacking and we need to catch up docs)<BR>
+jgarnett: I would like to know what is supposed to be included in the build ...<BR>
+groldan: ? I just built trunk with no problems, which modules do you mean?<BR>
+jgarnett: well we have developed a lot of the GTXML and parsing modules, with no docs etc <BR>
+jgarnett: I know justin asked, I just did not know if he wanted them in the build all the time, or if he is ready for them to be released to the public for FOSS4G.<BR>
+jgarnett: rgould, do you want to start us off?<BR>
+rgould: 1) ArcSDE: groldan <BR>
+groldan: ok, we need a way to include arcsde without deploying the esri api jars<BR>
+groldan: we had the stub source Saul donated, which IMHO can&apos;t be considered reverse engineered<BR>
+groldan: since he claims to have wrote it by hand, and only added the stuff needed to get the module compiling, incrementally<BR>
+groldan: but I&apos;m far from being an expert in licencing<BR>
+groldan: one option is to include that code as a subproject of the arcsde plugin, and make the datastore project depend on it<BR>
+groldan: comment out the actual jars dependencies<BR>
+cholmes: I think the same approach as oracle should be fine...<BR>
+groldan: and ask users to drop the actual jars in their classpath if they need<BR>
+groldan: well, I think the oracle stub ownership is a kind of limbo?<BR>
+jgarnett: gabriel the stub jar was discussed with OSGEO people and they agreede that it was a good approach.<BR>
+jgarnett: I am not sure who has the codebase for the oracle stub code.<BR>
+groldan: so, that&apos;s it. If it&apos;s generally agreed that that way of generating the stubbed api couldn&apos;t be problematic<BR>
+groldan: I can just commit it<BR>
+groldan: and get arcsde back<BR>
+groldan: I just wanna be covered if something asks who and how the sub was created<BR>
+jgarnett: fixing the compile errors will be fine, simply document that in your review.txt file - and it will be great to have arcsde back in the build.<BR>
+groldan: ok<BR>
+jgarnett: sweet! thanks gabriel.<BR>
+groldan: I&apos;m done so. going to commit in a few minutes<BR>
+jgarnett: cool.<BR>
+jgarnett: I will take the next agenda item.<BR>
+jgarnett: I would like a 2.3.M0 release, it was supposed to be the last step of the GC branch merge (making a release) but for some reason it never happened.<BR>
+jgarnett: I would like to ask if anybody is doing geotools based demos for FOSS4G, and if we can get a release out for the show<BR>
+jgarnett: okay so that is the sound of silience<BR>
+jgarnett: let me phrase it another way<BR>
+jgarnett: if I can build after gabriels commit, can I tag this as 2.3.M0<BR>
+cholmes: In general I think releases are good, and it&apos;d be nice to announce that for foss4g<BR>
+cholmes: I&apos;m +1 on that.<BR>
+jgarnett: indeed chris I think we need to, it is a major release, it has completed a providence review etc.<BR>
+acuster: bye all battery is dying<BR>
+cholmes: simone and allessio might have some more work they want done, but if they advance in the next week they can do M1<BR>
+jgarnett: but so far we have depended on rgould for release, something that has to stop<BR>
+jgarnett: (as he is busy right now)<BR>
+cholmes: which wouldn&apos;t be a bad thing at all.<BR>
+jgarnett: so I need to ask if anybody else can do this please.<BR>
+cholmes: I may be able to have Brent take a shot at it.  But we have to get our geoserver tutorial for foss4g in order first.<BR>
+desruisseaux: (Just a side note to acuster, because it appears that I&apos;m unable to answer to private messages - its look like I&apos;m an unregister user. Yes I will be present to Lausane, I will be glad to answer any question I can <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"> ).<BR>
+jgarnett: I am looking forward to meeting everyone.<BR>
+jgarnett: okay so that answers that question, it is a good idea, and I can tag and ask for help on the email list.<BR>
+jgarnett: next?<BR>
+rgould: That was the last agenda item.<BR>
+jgarnett: cool<BR>
+jgarnett: I had some hard questions for Jesse and justin but I suppose it is a holiday.</P>
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+                    <TD valign="top">
+                                                    <B><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/JCA/2006/09/04/Jencks%201.3">Jencks 1.3 (created)</A></B>
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+                            created by <B>    <A href="http://goopen.org/display/~gnt">Guillaume Nodet</A></B>  (<A href="mailto:gnt@codehaus.org">gnt@codehaus.org</A>)        on Sep 04, 2006 08:02
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+    <P>Jencks 1.3 has been released.<BR>
+This release primary goal is to upgrade to Geronimo 1.1.<BR>
+For more informations, see the <A href="http://goopen.org/display/JCA/Jencks%201.3%20Release" title="Jencks 1.3 Release">release notes</A>.</P>
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+                                                    <B><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/2006/08/30/GeoServer%20Tech%20Talk%20at%20Google">GeoServer Tech Talk at Google (created)</A></B>
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-<PRE>brent_	any agenda items people want to discuss?
-	asantokhee	hi all
-	rgould	GSIP 4 :)
-	appetkov	I wanted to see adit&apos;s progress with geoserver and GADS
-	rgould	although I could go last
-	groldan	gtbot, come here
-	asantokhee	ive got some feedback as well
-	rgould	because I haven&apos;t had a chance to review justin&apos;s comments
-	appetkov	Hi Adit
-	asantokhee	about 2D and 3D BBOX
-	rgould	I could make a gtbot for this channel if you guys want :)
-	jdeolive	can we call him jody :)
-	brent_	heh
-	rgould	hahaha
-	groldan	we should always avoid naming conflicts...
-	groldan	lets call jgarnett another way so
-	=-=	brent_ has changed the topic to &quot;0) propose agenda items 1) GISP 4 2) GEoserver and GADS 3) 2D and 3D bbox&quot;
-	brent_	ok lets start, 1) GISP 2
-	brent_	rgould
-	rgould	GSIP 4 :)
-	brent_	er, yeh
-	appetkov	I sent an email to the list about the use of HSQL vs WKT, but maybe that will be a topic after a few people reply...
-	brent_	heh
-	rgould	So for one project we are working on, we need the client application to be able to tell which modules of a particular GeoServer are operational or not
-	brent_	oh yeh, good one appetkov, lets talk about that too
-	rgould	so I wrote up a quick GSIP yesterday: http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+4+-+Status+Interface
-	=-=	brent_ has changed the topic to &quot;0) propose agenda items 1) GISP 4 2) GEoserver and GADS 3) 2D and 3D bbox 4) HSQL vs WKT for EPSG&quot;
-	sigq	Title: GSIP 4 - Status Interface - GeoServer - Confluence (at docs.codehaus.org)
-	groldan	justin, what did you said about reversing the dependency?
-	rgould	Yeah, I have been thinking about that little and I think I like it
-	brent_	doesn&apos;t a capabilities document say weather a service is available or not?
-	rgould	i&apos;m a little sketchy on the technicality of it though
-	rgould	but not all modules have capabilities documents
-	rgould	(ie data)
-	brent_	good point
-	groldan	good point
-	jdeolive	so yeah, my reason for suggesting the change was to mimimize the impact to existing geoserver modules
-	jdeolive	so if we decide to change to an actual plugin framework, we dont have to change them
-	rgould	so for reversing the dependency, I could perhaps create a module that examines the other modules to see if they are up
-	rgould	yes
-	jdeolive	i also like the idea of keeping components as plain old java objects
-	rgould	like OSGi
-	jdeolive	it makes them easier to deploy to other environments, and easier to test as otehr dependecncies dont creep in
-	rgould	right
-	brent_	yeh
-	rgould	and the &quot;status&quot; module itself would have almost no impact on the code
-	jdeolive	well i think thinking youd could wrap up an existing module in a Status class, and the status class woudl worry about all the notifcation, etc..
-	jdeolive	instead of having teh component do that
-	rgould	ah
-	jdeolive	leaving the component to be strictly business logic
-	jdeolive	you also might want to read teh spring docs on JMX beans, because that is essentially what they do
-	rgould	ok
-	rgould	I am completely unfamiliar with JMX
-	jdeolive	http://www.springframework.org/docs/reference/jmx.html
-	rgould	needs to do some reading
-	sigq	Title: Chapter 19. JMX Support (at www.springframework.org)
-	jdeolive	ha, nice one sigq, but i beat you ;)
-	rgould	sigq is a bot :)
-	brent_	lol
-	jdeolive	haha
-	groldan	(sorry guys I have to run, guess I&apos;ll be back in 1/2hour, family matters) (I support Justin&apos;s idea)
-	jdeolive	wow, i didn&apos;t even know, it passes the ai test
-	rgould	haha
-	brent_	cya groldan
-	rgould	ciao gabriel
-	jdeolive	bye gabriel
-	jdeolive	so yeah, the idea is that you wrap up a compnent in a MBean interface
-	rgould	a component in this instance would be a geoserver module?
-	jdeolive	and you create an MBeanServer which speaks the jmx protocol, and publishes the beans you have wrapped up
-	rgould	and the client just needs to speak JMX as well?
-	jdeolive	no necessarily, a module could have any number of components
-	jdeolive	but there could be a nice one to one ratio
-	jdeolive	yup
-	rgould	ok well I will definitely look into that then
-	jdeolive	it might be a little bit more overhead to go that route, but i like it because jmx has been around for a while and is a standard for remote component management in java
-	rgould	right. part of the issue might be that we do have a looming deadline
-	jdeolive	geoserver made the mistake of rolling its own framework before with the dto stuff, i dont really want to fall into that again
-	jdeolive	i mean the dto stuff works and is great ,and i guess at the time jmx was still young
-	jdeolive	so fair enough
-	jdeolive	i can understand the timeline
-	jdeolive	which is why the chagne in your design is nice, because you can go ahead and start work, but the impact to the codebase is minimal
-	rgould	yeah, it sounds like a better route to me
-	rgould	ok, sorry, move on, internet guy here
-	brent_	k
-	jdeolive	righto, thanks richard
-	brent_	2) Geoserver and GADS
-	asantokhee	yeah
-	asantokhee	i had my meeting last week
-	asantokhee	some issues have been raised
-	asantokhee	did u guys have a look at the demo?
-	appetkov	what was it about? Using Geoserver with GADS?
-	brent_	I haven&apos;t yet
-	appetkov	feasibility?
-	asantokhee	yeah well i had to prepare a prototype
-	appetkov	it==the meeting
-	asantokhee	it was a steering meeting
-	asantokhee	abt the DEWS project
-	asantokhee	in general
-	appetkov	i looked at the prototype, yeah...
-	asantokhee	the basic idea is to serve data basically
-	asantokhee	however some of the issues are abt how to serve the data, how to formulate getCoverage queries
-	appetkov	ok
-	asantokhee	basically we&apos;ll b serving 4D data
-	asantokhee	but there are multiple ways of selecting a 4D data
-	asantokhee	one group has pointed me to a very useful website
-	asantokhee	there is another WCS done by the TPAC group
-	asantokhee	http://glue.badc.rl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/TPAC/WCS
-	sigq	Title: Experimental prototype WCS server (at glue.badc.rl.ac.uk)
-	asantokhee	yeah
-	asantokhee	wcs 1.1 has also been mentioned
-	asantokhee	where a lot of the concerns raised by galeon project are taken on board
-	asantokhee	so i think we should also keep an eye on that
-	asantokhee	as far as gads-geoserver is concerned, im still working with the 1.3 version of geoserver
-	appetkov	are you talking about requesting a subset of data outside of the WCS spec?
-	asantokhee	but still gads is a separate entity
-	appetkov	soemting not found in there?
-	asantokhee	yeah
-	appetkov	are these concernes documented somewhere?
-	asantokhee	yeah
-	asantokhee	they can be found on the galeon project website
-	appetkov	OK
-	asantokhee	important changes are:
-	asantokhee	-- multiple coverages in one request
-	asantokhee	-- multiple fields in a coverage
-	asantokhee	-- 3 spatial dimensions
-	asantokhee	-- 2 time dimensions (e.g., the time a forecast was run and the forecast
-	asantokhee	times within the run)
-	asantokhee	-- relative time ( e.g., the latest image, the last 5 images, ...)
-	asantokhee	-- non-spatial dimension (e.g., pressure or density)
-	asantokhee	-- irregular grids
-	appetkov	hmm, not sure if WCS spec supports GetCoverage for multiple coverages..
-	appetkov	will have to dig later in the docs again...
-	asantokhee	the current version doesnt
-	asantokhee	thats in version 1.1
-	asantokhee	which is still not finalised
-	appetkov	conceptually, it looks sort of not so bad to use GEoserver with GADS for 4d coverages
-	appetkov	especially in the case for making maps
-	appetkov	the WMS would have to provide support for requesting a part time and z step, in order to extract a 2D slice
-	appetkov	particular time I mean...
-	appetkov	however these special cases change things
-	appetkov	what did you do to be able to request a particular time step and elevation from the dataset?
-	appetkov	did you modify the wcs code in some way?
-	asantokhee	in the present implementation these 2 fields are hardcoded
-	asantokhee	its at a specific depth and time
-	asantokhee	but i am adding these two fields
-	brent_	can we move the meeting on and come back to this topic in a bit?
-	appetkov	sure
-	brent_	ok, thanks
-	appetkov	adit?
-	brent_	3) 2D and 3D bounding boxes
-	asantokhee	I&apos;ve got some feedback from some people about our idea of using a 2D box
-	asantokhee	and treating depth as a special dimension.
-	asantokhee	it seems not to be too well accepted
-	asantokhee	3d box has been proposed
-	brent_	intersecting with a cube?
-	asantokhee	If you imagine a 4-d data volume (x,y,z,t) it could be required to
-	asantokhee	subset this in any way,
-	asantokhee	e.g. a single point, or a line, or a plane, or a cube, all at either a
-	asantokhee	single point in time or over a period of time.
-	asantokhee	e.g.:
-	asantokhee	- single point in time and space:
-	asantokhee	BBOX=x1,y1,z1,x2,y2,z2&amp;TIME=t1/t1
-	asantokhee	- single line vertically at a point in time:
-	asantokhee	BBOX=x1,y1,Z1,x1,y1,Z2&amp;TIME=t1/t1
-	asantokhee	- &apos;Hovmuller&apos; (2-d slice) of a single line over time:
-	asantokhee	BBOX=x1,y1,Z1,x1,y1,Z2&amp;TIME=T1/T2
-	brent_	temporal too?
-	asantokhee	yep
-	brent_	how would the back end data-stores handle this?
-	asantokhee	could you clarify a bit plz?
-	brent_	for queries, geoserver hands off the bounding box to the underlying datastore, like postgis
-	asantokhee	ok
-	brent_	I&apos;m wondering if there is 3d bbox support in postgis, oracle, etc
-	asantokhee	thats also something i want to know
-	asantokhee	but these functionalities are supported in GADS
-	asantokhee	since we read from files directly
-	brent_	we could just use a 2d bbox query, then query it again on the geoserver side with the 3d bbox
-	asantokhee	i think this raises the question hw we are planning to extend geotools
-	appetkov	there is a way for specifying 3d bbox in postgis
-	brent_	cool
-	appetkov	we sort of see the extending of geotools with nD coverage support as a long term solution
-	brent_	have you started a wiki page to discuss this topic?
-	asantokhee	me?
-	brent_	yeh
-	asantokhee	no i havent
-	brent_	ok, you should set one up so we can get some more discussion on this topic, I&apos;m sure there are a few people out there with some good input
-	appetkov	at present it seems like using GADS with geoserver, at least for specifying 4D coverages as a quicker way
-	brent_	ok
-	brent_	next topic?
-	appetkov	bryce has been keeping up a WIKI page with the nD coverages stuff, incl adit&apos;s work and things from these meetings
-	brent_	ok, cool. That should suffice
-	brent_	4) HSQL vs WKT for EPSG
-	appetkov	http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/Multidimensional+WCS
-	sigq	Title: Multidimensional WCS - GeoServer - Confluence (at docs.codehaus.org)
-	appetkov	this last topic--i had to define projections (be it Albers, lambert or whatever) with custom parameters, pretty much since I started to use Geoserver
-	appetkov	with every version upgrade, that had to be done again.
-	brent_	yeh this has been brought up before: merging to just one source
-	appetkov	the procedure basically involved inserting a WKT and re-creating the WKT archive
-	appetkov	Simone and Alessio started using an embedded HSQL database sometime ago
-	appetkov	with that one, its quite a bit harder to define a custom projection , it invloves getting to know the database layout etc
-	appetkov	but, once the HSQL database is created, it resides on HD.
-	appetkov	ie, it is nt recreated with each Goeserver version upgrade
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-	appetkov	I see the potential of having a web UI where people can inster their onw entries
-	groldan	wasn&apos;t the reason for keeping the wkt that they both use different axis order for 4326?
-	groldan	appetkov, did you ever tried of just replacing epsg-wkt by epsg-hsql in your deployments?
-	appetkov	also, Simone listed some restrictions that he is running into by using WKT
-	appetkov	well now I have both
-	groldan	I guess if you have both you&apos;re left to your luck in what the spi lookup refers to?
-	appetkov	in the past I have tried, however there are errors due to missing factories etc...
-	groldan	hmm.. that shouldn&apos;t happen.
-	groldan	I am all for using hql by default
-	appetkov	I really wish Simone was here, as he raised the issue today
-	groldan	by still we need to be sure that users can switch implementation without problem
-	groldan	someone would need to use postgis, etc
-	groldan	I&apos;m pretty sure that being able of swaping them is all about the point of the existence of the different epsg modules?
-	appetkov	gabriel, can you explain a bit more?
-	appetkov	the one about postgis...
-	groldan	I think epsg-hql, epsg-wkt, etc are designed to be interchangeable
-	groldan	so, though it would be cool to support epsg-hql by default, there shouldn&apos;t be any problem if you get it out of your running instance and drop another one
-	groldan	someone could confirm that that should be the case? jdeolive?
-	appetkov	in the past that was not the case, at least IME...
-	groldan	Well, I could be wrong... but I was pretty sure, so if you had problems we should raise up a jira bug on it
-	appetkov	I guess issues arise when Simone works with Geotiff images--reading Authority for datums, etc
-	groldan	yeah, that&apos;s another topic, and the fact that epsg-hql is more complete than wkt is a good reason for the change
-	appetkov	Well, with the supposed merge of WCS and trunk it looks like that will happen
-	groldan	my concern was just that I thought that you as user should be able of using whatever one, regardless of the one geoserver comes with by default
-	appetkov	i am currently at that point, yes
-	appetkov	you mean being able to use one jar archive or the other?
-	groldan	exactly
-	appetkov	to replace one with the other in my current instance?
-	groldan	like if you deploy the geoserver war, then remove one jar and drop the other in
-	appetkov	oh ok
-	appetkov	haven&apos;t tried in a while, will try again...
-	groldan	cool,if that doesn&apos;t works, would you be so kind of setting up a jira issue with a stack trace and/or whatever information you can acquire when trying to switch to epsg-hql?
-	appetkov	sure, will do
-	appetkov	i already have 1.4.0-M1 on my HDD
-	groldan	it is supposed to work. Aka, say that Geos comes with epsg-hql by default, but my company holds all its info in oracle and I need to replace epsg-hql by epsg-oracle
-	groldan	that should just _work_
-	appetkov	that&apos;s all I have WRT that...
-	brent_	all done?
-	groldan	ok, am +1 on changing to hql. Still need to hear from jgarnett at al, I guess wkt uses inversed axis order for 4326
-	appetkov	ok
-	brent_	yeh we will have to bring it up on the list
-	appetkov	will get him and Simone in the ring :-)
-	groldan	sure, they&apos;re who we need to hear from on this
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+<P><B>Building a Reliable Open Source ESB with Mule</B></P>
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+<P>Ross Mason will be presenting Mule at <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://javasymposium-europe.techtarget.com/" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">TheServerSide Java Symposium-Europe<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN> , held June 21-23 in Barcelona, Spain. <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://javasymposium-europe.techtarget.com/html/det_descriptions.htm#RMasonMule" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">More info...<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN></P>
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+<P><SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://www.jroller.com/page/kimchy?entry=tssjs_barcelona_day_one" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">Read a nice review by Shay Banon, a TSSJS attende (Day 1)<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN></P>
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+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">*Building a Reliable Open Source ESB with Mule*</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">&nbsp;</TD></TR>
+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">Ross Mason will be presenting Mule at [TheServerSide Java Symposium-Europe|http://javasymposium-europe.techtarget.com] , held June 21-23 in Barcelona, Spain. [More info...|http://javasymposium-europe.techtarget.com/html/det_descriptions.htm#RMasonMule]</TD></TR>
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+<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">[Read a nice review by Shay Banon, a TSSJS attende (Day 1)|http://www.jroller.com/page/kimchy?entry=tssjs_barcelona_day_one]</TD></TR>
 <TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">&nbsp;</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">{noformat}</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">brent_	any agenda items people want to discuss?</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	asantokhee	hi all</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	GSIP 4 :)</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	appetkov	I wanted to see adit&apos;s progress with geoserver and GADS</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	although I could go last</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	groldan	gtbot, come here</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	asantokhee	ive got some feedback as well</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	because I haven&apos;t had a chance to review justin&apos;s comments</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	appetkov	Hi Adit</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	asantokhee	about 2D and 3D BBOX</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	I could make a gtbot for this channel if you guys want :)</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	can we call him jody :)</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	heh</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	hahaha</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	groldan	we should always avoid naming conflicts...</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	groldan	lets call jgarnett another way so</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	=-=	brent_ has changed the topic to &quot;0) propose agenda items 1) GISP 4 2) GEoserver and GADS 3) 2D and 3D bbox&quot;</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	ok lets start, 1) GISP 2</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	rgould</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	GSIP 4 :)</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	er, yeh</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	appetkov	I sent an email to the list about the use of HSQL vs WKT, but maybe that will be a topic after a few people reply...</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	heh</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	So for one project we are working on, we need the client application to be able to tell which modules of a particular GeoServer are operational or not</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	oh yeh, good one appetkov, lets talk about that too</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	so I wrote up a quick GSIP yesterday: http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+4+-+Status+Interface</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	=-=	brent_ has changed the topic to &quot;0) propose agenda items 1) GISP 4 2) GEoserver and GADS 3) 2D and 3D bbox 4) HSQL vs WKT for EPSG&quot;</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	sigq	Title: GSIP 4 - Status Interface - GeoServer - Confluence (at docs.codehaus.org)</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	groldan	justin, what did you said about reversing the dependency?</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	Yeah, I have been thinking about that little and I think I like it</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	doesn&apos;t a capabilities document say weather a service is available or not?</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	i&apos;m a little sketchy on the technicality of it though</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	but not all modules have capabilities documents</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	(ie data)</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	good point</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	groldan	good point</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	so yeah, my reason for suggesting the change was to mimimize the impact to existing geoserver modules</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	so if we decide to change to an actual plugin framework, we dont have to change them</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	so for reversing the dependency, I could perhaps create a module that examines the other modules to see if they are up</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	yes</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	i also like the idea of keeping components as plain old java objects</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	like OSGi</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	it makes them easier to deploy to other environments, and easier to test as otehr dependecncies dont creep in</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	right</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	yeh</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	and the &quot;status&quot; module itself would have almost no impact on the code</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	well i think thinking youd could wrap up an existing module in a Status class, and the status class woudl worry about all the notifcation, etc..</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	instead of having teh component do that</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	ah</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	leaving the component to be strictly business logic</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	you also might want to read teh spring docs on JMX beans, because that is essentially what they do</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	ok</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	I am completely unfamiliar with JMX</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	http://www.springframework.org/docs/reference/jmx.html</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	needs to do some reading</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	sigq	Title: Chapter 19. JMX Support (at www.springframework.org)</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	ha, nice one sigq, but i beat you ;)</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	sigq is a bot :)</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	lol</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	haha</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	groldan	(sorry guys I have to run, guess I&apos;ll be back in 1/2hour, family matters) (I support Justin&apos;s idea)</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	wow, i didn&apos;t even know, it passes the ai test</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	haha</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	cya groldan</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	ciao gabriel</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	bye gabriel</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	so yeah, the idea is that you wrap up a compnent in a MBean interface</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	a component in this instance would be a geoserver module?</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	and you create an MBeanServer which speaks the jmx protocol, and publishes the beans you have wrapped up</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	and the client just needs to speak JMX as well?</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	no necessarily, a module could have any number of components</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	but there could be a nice one to one ratio</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	yup</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	ok well I will definitely look into that then</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	it might be a little bit more overhead to go that route, but i like it because jmx has been around for a while and is a standard for remote component management in java</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	right. part of the issue might be that we do have a looming deadline</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	geoserver made the mistake of rolling its own framework before with the dto stuff, i dont really want to fall into that again</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	i mean the dto stuff works and is great ,and i guess at the time jmx was still young</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	so fair enough</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	i can understand the timeline</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	which is why the chagne in your design is nice, because you can go ahead and start work, but the impact to the codebase is minimal</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	yeah, it sounds like a better route to me</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	rgould	ok, sorry, move on, internet guy here</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	k</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	jdeolive	righto, thanks richard</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	2) Geoserver and GADS</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	asantokhee	yeah</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	asantokhee	i had my meeting last week</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	asantokhee	some issues have been raised</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	asantokhee	did u guys have a look at the demo?</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	appetkov	what was it about? Using Geoserver with GADS?</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">	brent_	I haven&apos;t yet</TD></TR>

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