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Subject svn commit: r438914 [9/14] - in /incubator/activemq/site: ./ 2004/04/13/ 2004/05/26/ 2004/06/23/ 2004/06/25/ 2004/08/17/ 2004/08/19/ 2004/08/23/ 2004/10/07/ 2004/11/02/ 2004/12/20/ 2005/02/03/ 2005/02/25/ 2005/04/11/ 2005/06/06/ 2005/07/04/ 2005/07/13/...
Date Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:38:17 GMT
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-                                                    <B><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=59664">The Brazilian Java Magazine published &quot;Learning Groovy&quot; (updated)</A></B>
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-<P>1) GSIP#1<BR>
-2) GSIP#2<BR>
-3) FOSS Plans</P>
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-<P>Actions:</P>
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-	<LI>GSIP#1 voted on, page contains results</LI>
-	<LI>GSIP#2 voted on, page contains results</LI>
-	<LI>FOSS Plans - bother Chris Holems</LI>
-	<LI>instructions for submitting GSIP not following writing guidelines,<BR>
-page modified with a bad email example</LI>
-	<LI>updating Proposal template to make use of actual fields</LI>
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-<P>Questions for next meeting:</P>
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-	<LI>revised the pages Chris Holmes added, process was a bit flawed as we<BR>
-needed to hunt down the specific modifications.</LI>
-	<LI>pages modified please review, specifically consider removing the box<BR>
-marked &quot;snap decisions&quot; (a formal process for an informal non tracked <BR>
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-<P><SPAN class="error">&#91;9:18:45 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: hey - did the geoserver meeting start yet?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:19:08 AM&#93;</SPAN> * Jody Garnett added Alessio Fabiani, Gerhard Goosen, Clint Lewis, Rob Atkinson to this chat<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:19:16 AM&#93;</SPAN> * Jody Garnett has changed the chat topic to &quot;GeoServer one week on&quot;<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:20:45 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: okay I am going to finally read over the proposal chris made ...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:34:37 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: Well so far only Rob is around and he is quiet, a meeting of one ... at least i can stay on agenda.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:35:19 AM&#93;</SPAN> * Jody Garnett has changed the chat topic to &quot;1) GSIP $1 2) GSIP#2 3) FOSS Plans&quot;<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:35:50 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: First of all reviewing: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/0%20Project%20Steering%20Committee" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/0+Project+Steering+Committee<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:36:38 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: one problem is the GEOSDEV space, it is not hooked up so this policy will not be visible. I think we need to hack at the website a bit <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/tongue.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:40:44 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: Okay this is a bit of a pain, cholmes email says he changed something because it was &quot;missing a bit&quot; and to read &quot;closly&quot;...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:41:08 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: (I can tell he has been at it as there is much larger blocks of text ...)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:42:24 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: Do you see any problems with it?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:42:38 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: well I am trying to see what has changed ...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:42:59 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: The When not to use the GSIP looks suspect - aka large block of text with no bullets. Not justins style.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:43:08 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: As a bit of a newbie to PSC land, I&apos;m looking for guidance - practice suporting policy is better than the most beautiful policy<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:43:28 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: I think I will rewrite it to have point form ...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:44:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: Note he has some more pages to check:<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:44:13 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GeoServer%20Improvement%20Proposals" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GeoServer+Improvement+Proposals<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:44:24 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How%20to%20make%20a%20GeoServer%20Improvement%20Proposal" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How+to+make+a+GeoServer+Improvement+Proposal<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:14 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: Okay ... robA ping?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:23 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: This part is messing with me - For all decisions that are not official GSIP proposals, those &apos;present&apos; (those in the IRC meeting or who bother to respond to an email within 4 days) are given the power to vote and decide an issue.  The same voting procedures are used, but any vote that meets a -1 from any party present (even a  new user), should go to a GSIP.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:23 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: I dont see a real problem - presumably we can vote to amend things later?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:25 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio Fa... says: hi all, sorry for the delay<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:41 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: bascially he is trying to say &quot;consensus&quot; (hope I spelled that right)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:51 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: perfick.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:53 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: and then tries to let people on the email list vote,<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:50:10 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: but it amounts to a veto - ie any -1 vote demands a GSIP be written.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:50:27 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: I am going to commit - I have moved his words into bullet points so we can make sense of them.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:50:36 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: commit = save the page<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:50:49 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: (I am sorry I did not do this on email list, lets make up for it now)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:50:53 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: yep - but a GSIP can survive a -1.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:51:47 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: So this heading should not be under &quot;when not to use the GSIP&quot;<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:51:59 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: I think maybe the question should be posed - will this affect others (either technical direction or an opportunity to contribute?)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:52:03 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: it should be about when GSIP is needed ... or concensus or something.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:52:15 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: Ah - OK<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:52:28 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: (if you refresh the page you should see the bullet list now under when not to use the GSIP)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:52:45 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: robA I like you phrasing as a Q:<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:53:27 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: See I am happy with &quot;For all decisions that are not official GSIP proposals, those &apos;present&apos; (those in the IRC meeting or who bother to respond to an email within 4 days) are given the power to vote and decide an issue.  The same voting procedures are used, but any vote that meets a -1 from any party present (even a  new user), should go to a GSIP.  &quot;<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:53:34 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: sorry cut and paste failed me:<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:53:53 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: OK - so heading is wrong...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:53:56 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: I am happy with the first sentence ...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:54:14 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: I do not need the -1 or 4 days thing.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:54:22 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: I prefer<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:54:25 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: I am happy with consult the development list or raise in an IRC meeting.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:55:31 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: tempted to make a new category of &quot;Snap Decisions&quot;, aka the IRC or vote thing, where -1 makes a GSIP required. But really consulting the community is what we are we want. If there are any questions then a formal proposal is needed.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:55:33 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: &quot;words failing me...&quot;<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:55:44 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: try rob <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:55:51 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: (words do not often fail rob)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:56:23 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio Fa... says: sorry guys, just a question, but the GSIP #1 should be closed, am I wrong?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:57:18 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: If a proposal has the potential to affect backwards compatibility or the future direction of any core module of the code base the n a GSIP should be issued to allow the community to comment and become involved.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:57:41 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: You are probably right <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/sad.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:57:51 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: we should of done this on email and voted by now, we fail as a PSC <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:58:31 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: (sigh sorry guys I was busy, if you have already voted I am wasting your time)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:58:50 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: highlighted the problem paragraph as &quot;Snap Decisions&quot; and would like it removed.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:58:55 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: We need a PSC secretary then - some one to canvas votes and send a deadline reminder, and hold official count.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:59:19 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: um, I think the point of those 7 days is the prevent that ... if we fail to vote it is like a 0 or something ...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:00:10 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: here is the other change - Dissolution of PSC at the bottom<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:00:10 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Yeah well, seems like a pretty minimal overhead. I know it would help me.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:00:22 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: TOPP reserves the right to take back active control if the PSC does not work.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:00:32 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I have no problem with this.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:00:55 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Actually, it is based purely on PSC failing to renew numbers..<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:01:19 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: I dont havbe a problem - lets get on with it.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:01:33 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: +1 from me.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:01:59 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: um I have a problem with the snap decision, I would like the next meeting to remove that paragraph, and then I am cool.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:02:08 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: (actually its the rest of the community whose votes should count, and I hear &quot;no object to unamimous consent&quot; )<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:02:17 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I just do not think it is thought out, having a formal process for an informal non tracked decision.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:02:48 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Chris next page is: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How%20to%20make%20a%20GeoServer%20Improvement%20Proposal" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How+to+make+a+GeoServer+Improvement+Proposal<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:03:00 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Yeah - well with the PSC in place, we can then put forward processes...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:03:32 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Okay this page is &quot;Wrong&quot;, needs an example for the How do I make a GSIP<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:03:53 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: the actual content talks about a bunch of different things ... actually has a Q&amp;A FAQ kind of thing going on ....<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:04:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: want to see this with the example up top, and some Q&amp;A for more details at the bottom....<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:04:26 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (I will hack this up now), RobA can you continue with the meeting.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:04:43 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Note: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GSIP%201%20-%20Project%20Steering%20Committee%20formation" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+1+-+Project+Steering+Committee+formation<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:04:47 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: is what is being voted on.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:05:09 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: And I concur:<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:05:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: +1 jody<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:05:22 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: 2) GSIP#2<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:05:31 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: +1 Alessio<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:05:53 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: both for GSIP #1 and #2<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:05:57 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (has anyone seen votes go out via email, we may have enough to pass the motion)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:06:14 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I would like to think about #2 for a moment ....<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:06:18 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: not for the #1<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:06:48 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Havebnt seen any votes.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:07:03 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: for the code formatting, I would of been happier with specifics - but I understand that the proposal needs to go ahead before this becomes worthwhile.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:07:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: +1 Jody (and looking forward to it)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:07:37 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Presuming voting means - if it works then we will adopt it. We need a tested mechanism to actually adopt it?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:07:41 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Rob do you have any thoughs on the code formatting proposal?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:07:48 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: +1 for me on the concept.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:07:56 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Rob, the mechanism is tested, and used in geotools.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:08:06 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: The specifics are apparently sun conventions wrapped at 100 columns.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:08:39 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: (But we cant accept a solution till its been reviewed I guess - same as any GSIP - concur its worthwhile then invest in effort then review then adopt)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:08:48 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: okay this is a quick meeting now that we have people <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:08:56 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: I would like very much a code formatting in GeoServer too, first of all because this will avoid a lot of unsuseful &quot;commits&quot; in SVN <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:09:04 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: good question Rob, I think this is us accepting that a solution be created and implemented.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:09:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: OK - if mechanism is as per geotools, this should be docced..<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:10:10 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: just getting into swing of being a beuracrat.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:13:32 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: oh dear<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:13:45 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: so beuracrat, can you move us on to the last agenda item <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:14:49 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: or I can ...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:14:54 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: 3) FOSS Plans<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:15:07 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Am still hoping to get there myself - will be leaving Thursday night<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:15:15 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: sorry Jody, another question, how about this XML module proposed by Justin?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:15:27 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: We had some agenda items last time to figure out FOSS involvement, chris did respond with some details from TOPP. And we found out that no BOF session has been requested etc...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:15:40 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: There is no proposal, so ....<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:15:41 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Have you looked at agenda to work out when we&apos;d be live to do demos?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:15:45 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (oh you mean in geotools)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:16:04 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: ah, ok ... sorry<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:16:18 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: If we have missed our demo spot, I invite geoserver to sneak into the uDig demo, serve up content between the two apps and do editing etc...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:17:35 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Alessio, it seems the wiki pages actually include space for votes - do you mind updating GSIP#2, and perhaps somebody else can update GSIP#1 in response to the previous agenda items<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:17:36 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: I think it is a good idea<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:17:47 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (getting the hang of the geoserver process will take a couple weeks)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:17:46 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: ok<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:19:50 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: Here we are working hard in order to have a good and stable version of GeoServer + WCS, and we would like very much to have a demo of the WCS too<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:20:16 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: okay, I would like to see a GeoTools Demo table then, and we can show the full stack.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:20:50 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I have requested a uDig demo area, and we can ask Paul if those can be one in the same (but I do not want to crowd his space, as uDig has different demo needs and is focused on end users)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:21:09 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I can man a uDig demo on the geotools table for example and hopefully talk to your WCS <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:22:21 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: yes, it would be great<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:22:58 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I would like to make the request myself, but I am concerned I will not get it done due to being busy, and we are late. I would love to impose on cholmes who seems to have connections <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:23:06 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Can anybody volunteer to see if we can sneak in late?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:23:55 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (working hard on that how to make a proposals page)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:23:56 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: I&apos;m online<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:24:05 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: so I can do this<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:25:39 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (ask for FOSS BOF / Demo space?)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:25:46 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: sorry alessio - do what?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:26:39 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: sorry I understood to ping Chris<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:26:52 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: sure, please ping chris, lets take this to email and sort it out.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:27:00 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: and then I think our meeting is done, thanks everyone.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:27:38 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: k<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:27:47 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: ciao<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:27:56 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: ciao<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:31:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I will post logs;<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:31:13 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How%20to%20make%20a%20GeoServer%20Improvement%20Proposal" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How+to+make+a+GeoServer+Improvement+Proposal<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:31:18 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: include a bad email example now.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:36:53 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: thanks all<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:36:59 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: emailed logs<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:37:09 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: thanks to you<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:37:28 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: um I cannot spell, I think I need an editor for <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How%20to%20make%20a%20GeoServer%20Improvement%20Proposal" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How+to+make+a+GeoServer+Improvement+Proposal<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:41:41 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: um Alesso are you going to record votes?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:41:49 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GSIP%201%20-%20Project%20Steering%20Committee%20formation" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+1+-+Project+Steering+Committee+formation<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:41:52 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: yes<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:41:57 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: has a section near the top to record votes ... okay cool.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:42:01 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (was just looking at it now)</P>
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-<P>1: 2.2.0 release: status and potential<BR>
-2: Documentation considering moving to LaTeX<BR>
-3: FM is dead, long live FM<BR>
-4: IP check is done, what is next<BR>
-5: 2.3 milestone<BR>
-6: yourkit licenses<BR>
-7: commercial support for Geotools</P>
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-<P>rgould: 1: 2.2.0 release<BR>
-rgould: acuster has discovered a fatal problem in jmappane<BR>
-rgould: which we feel is worth re-releasing 2.2.0 for<BR>
-rgould: and I can re-releease it on wednesday evening<BR>
-rgould: ian turton said he would do the fix for jmappane tomorrow<BR>
-aaime: Well, I have fixed the mappane module for at least two things<BR>
-rgould: then those fixes will be included <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-aaime: mapviewer not closing the app<BR>
-aaime: and avoid too fancy sld styles <BR>
-rgould: other than that, I might request help writing the release announcment<BR>
-acuster: aaime on both trunk and the branch?<BR>
-aaime: No, only on the branch<BR>
-aaime: The trunk should be wiped out<BR>
-rgould: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOT/Announcement" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOT/Announcement<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-aaime: and restarted from the branch imho<BR>
-rgould: (see the major changes point forms - please add to it) <BR>
-acuster: okay, that&apos;s the plan then. <BR>
-rgould: and change the rest (it&apos;s still from the previous release)<BR>
-rgould: but i&apos;m having a hell of a time concentrating today so I don&apos;t trust the quality of anything I write<BR>
-aaime: well, mappane should be included in the release notes<BR>
-aaime: editing now<BR>
-acuster: and it could use a bit more pep: The Geotols project is please to announce ... another milestone towards the universal free gis...<BR>
-acuster: ...drum roll...<BR>
-rgould: feel free to add that <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-aaime: Ok, anything else about 2.2.0?<BR>
-aaime: :_p<BR>
-simboss: <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/sad.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-aaime: lol<BR>
-simboss: it does not like me<BR>
-aaime: Ok, shall we move to next topic?<BR>
-rgould needs to make it easier to use<BR>
-rgould: yeah I&apos;m done<BR>
-acuster: that&apos;s me<BR>
-aaime: Yep<BR>
-acuster: 2: Documentation considering moving to LaTeX<BR>
-aaime: I almost fell off the chair when I saw point 2<BR>
-acuster: okay, confluence can&apos;t do PDF export. It&apos;s a bug even against the current confluences<BR>
-acuster: the pages don&apos;t come out in order<BR>
-acuster: also I hate web editing<BR>
-acuster: feels like using a computer in the 1970&apos;s <BR>
-acuster: so the choice is docbook or latex<BR>
-rgould: confluence couldn&apos;t export anything if it&apos;s life depended on it<BR>
-acuster: Docbook I&apos;ve used a lot<BR>
-rgould: at least codehaus&apos;s confluence<BR>
-jgarnett: acuster, I would much rather use docbook, it is well understood, easy and maven can hack it.<BR>
-acuster: the Gnumeric Users&apos; manual is huge and stressed GNOME&apos;s infrastructure<BR>
-acuster: and fits nicely in the repository<BR>
-jgarnett: I have no problem trying it out, say for the users guide, and then making a decision after.<BR>
-acuster: so docbook is a great choice.<BR>
-jgarnett: the wiki was great for revision, but it really fell appart on us<BR>
-acuster: apparently there were issues with an earlier version, I don&apos;t know anything about that<BR>
-aaime: Basically nobody cared to learn docbook for writing docs<BR>
-acuster: docbook requires a good toolchain and I&apos;m not sure how to do that in the land of java<BR>
-aaime: People, what&apos;s so wrong with xhmtl? :-P<BR>
-acuster: ah, well docbook is just as easy as confluence at that level<BR>
-acuster: but we are about to hit equations<BR>
-acuster: and there&apos;s still only one program in the world that does equations correctly<BR>
-acuster: so, if you all are going to write, I&apos;m willing to work with docbook<BR>
-acuster: if it&apos;s going to be 99% me<BR>
-jgarnett: xmlmind plus docbook w/ maven = happy<BR>
-acuster: then I&apos;d opt for LateX <BR>
-acuster: does it have all the little icons for warnings and such things?<BR>
-jgarnett: acuster I am willing to write.<BR>
-aaime: xmlmind -&gt; free and multiplatform?<BR>
-acuster: okay, we&apos;ll try docbook then<BR>
-acuster: 2(partb) acuster request commit rights for the doc directory<BR>
-jgarnett: acuster with the IP check out of the way, <B>basic</B> user docs are my next priority.<BR>
-simboss: I have always been a latex fun<BR>
-acuster: do you all want a docbook patch to approve me?<BR>
-simboss: and I will neve change my mind<BR>
-aaime: +1 for commit rights<BR>
-rgould: +1<BR>
-jgarnett: I nominate acuster for commit rights, we have not seen a code review, but he intends to only damage doc and demo.<BR>
-simboss: +1<BR>
-jgarnett: +1<BR>
-acuster: note this is separate from commit rights to demo/ which I will also want eventually<BR>
-rgould: 3 +1s and no -1s so it&apos;s passed<BR>
-aaime: I guess once you have commit rights you can just work at you leisure, provided that you don&apos;t screw up<BR>
-acuster: cool, I&apos;m done on (2) then<BR>
-aaime: in that case, you&apos;ll be kicked out (as anybody else could)<BR>
-acuster: ?<BR>
-jgarnett: well you do ask for code reivews, and add headers (kick simboss )<BR>
-jgarnett: okay tap simboss <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-simboss: sorry man<BR>
-simboss: I am slowly going through all the classes I added<BR>
-acuster: jgarnett, it&apos;s your (3)<BR>
-simboss: adding headers and such<BR>
-aaime: Weel, so far only api is using jalopy, which btw adds headers on its own<BR>
-simboss: too slowly maybe <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/sad.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-aaime: maybe it&apos;s time for module mantainers to consider using it more extensively?<BR>
-acuster: does jalopy do docbook?<BR>
-aaime: No, it just formats java source code<BR>
-aaime: It would be nice to have an xml reformatter thought<BR>
-jgarnett: lets move on we are though 50% of our time.<BR>
-aaime: it&apos;s needed in the geoserver land as well<BR>
-aaime: but could not find one<BR>
-aaime: Ok, next topic?<BR>
-aaime: FM guys, the floor is yours. Go Jody! <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-jgarnett: great, justin where are you! whaaa....<BR>
-jgarnett: okay Justin and I went to hack the FM branch on the weekend and came to the folowing conclusion.<BR>
-aaime: He&apos;s not here, he sent a mail to the ml saying he won&apos;t be here<BR>
-jgarnett: (well justin came to it, and he is the person who needs it so I am just the messanger)<BR>
-jgarnett: (I know that was a complaint for the logs, so he can feel guilty <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"> )<BR>
-aaime: we&apos;ll shoot you anyway :-p<BR>
-jgarnett: basically we need FM, but the focus is the feature model - which is ready.<BR>
-jgarnett: the QA part is what is slowing us down, and we should seperate the two problems.<BR>
-acuster: what&apos;s QA consist of?<BR>
-jgarnett: So he is going to put together a plan for roll out that we can all live with....<BR>
-jgarnett: The QA consists of a lot of the things that have made geotools inconsistent and hard to document, the fact that creating a FeatureType is near impossible, random code is deprecated and the whole thing is not consistent on a few basics.<BR>
-jgarnett: (say use of Factory)<BR>
-jgarnett: there is a list, of the specific QA guidelines we needed to meet, and that is worthy of another time.<BR>
-jgarnett: so this agenda item is a warning, the FM branch is dead, we will roll the FM in one step at a time to trunk.<BR>
-jgarnett: (after 2.3 goes out with the IP check and the GC merge)<BR>
-aaime: And remove deprecated code in the process I hope?<BR>
-jgarnett: I sort of suspect that this is due to need for volunteers....<BR>
-aaime: Otherwise you&apos;re just going to add choices<BR>
-jgarnett: and remove deprecated code in the process.<BR>
-aaime: gc merge is basically done, no? simboss?<BR>
-simboss: ye�<BR>
-jgarnett: aaime we have a mandate to hose out the old feature model, and have done so, the benifit is consistency, completeness, and agreement with geoapi.<BR>
-acuster: jgarnett, wrt factories, as you saw referencing has its own system, is there any simple way to clean this up?<BR>
-simboss: (that was a yep)<BR>
-aaime: acuster, I fear that&apos;s unlikely<BR>
-acuster: And who is responsible for the name FeatureTypes ? I hope you all realize that a one letter difference between class names is a pain for new users<BR>
-aaime: referencing is the dominion of Marting<BR>
-aaime: but he&apos;s usually eager to increase the consistency level of geotools<BR>
-jgarnett: okay, lets move on <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"> we got 20 mins, and the osgeo channel is started its meeting that I need to attend.<BR>
-acuster: well then call the class ReferencingFactoryfinder or some such<BR>
-jgarnett: simboss can you please take over running the agenda, and ping me if needed.<BR>
-acuster: 4; ip check<BR>
-simboss: k<BR>
-simboss: even if it seems that acuster is already in charge <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-aaime: acuster, let&apos;s hope Martin reads this and answers<BR>
-jgarnett: I need frank for this<BR>
-jgarnett: and he is in a meeting <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/sad.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-jgarnett: as I am ...<BR>
-acuster: simboss, go, go go!<BR>
-aaime: Ah well, next topic the<BR>
-aaime: (then)<BR>
-jgarnett: look the IP check is done ... there are a couple issue on the ground still, somebody needs to help gabriel<BR>
-simboss: 5: 2.3 milestone<BR>
-aaime: Sorry, help Gabriel how?<BR>
-jgarnett: okay osgeo meeting is not ready yet.<BR>
-jgarnett: gabriel&apos;s arcsde module is still out of the build after several months<BR>
-jgarnett: he needs somebody to make him a stub jar<BR>
-jgarnett: the same way oracle spatial has done<BR>
-jgarnett: (aka just fix the compile errors and store the resulting code in a geotools spike)<BR>
-aaime: Hmm... so it&apos;s going to be a hand made effort<BR>
-jgarnett: sure, or somebody can use a fancy mock tool.<BR>
-aaime: What about unit tests? they can run only against the actual stuff?<BR>
-jgarnett: there is some issue with Vivid (C) code for WKB in postgis that needs help<BR>
-groldan: unit tests that need a running instance are disabled by default anyways<BR>
-jgarnett: and so on, I have sent out review.txt files and email to all module maintainers. Most have responded ...<BR>
-groldan: since there is no such a thing like a freely available arcsde instance <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-jgarnett: aaime for oracle they do not run connectivity tests unless the real jar is around.<BR>
-jgarnett: the tests are set to return <BR>
-aaime: Well let&apos;s see, if during the end of the week I&apos;m getting bored I&apos;ll try to build a mock for arcsde, ok?<BR>
-jgarnett: same for a lot of the wms and wfs code when the server is unavailable.<BR>
-jgarnett: that would be a great help, gabriel has not gotten to it yet.<BR>
-acuster: congrats and thanks jgarnett, that was a lot of work!<BR>
-jgarnett: oh darn and there is a couple things about licenses, and the developers guide that will impact the release process rgould.<BR>
-jgarnett: (we need to include the docs in the release process, and the docs need to include some license info - as per some of the headers)<BR>
-rgould: docs = user guide and developer guide?<BR>
-jgarnett: yeah it was insane, was going to reward myself with FM hacking but justin took it away from me.<BR>
-rgould: I&apos;m guessing this is not for 2.2.0?<BR>
-jgarnett: perhaps acuster will still let me doc.<BR>
-jgarnett: nope this is for trunk<BR>
-acuster: docs are not ready for 2.2, they are now targeting 2.3.0<BR>
-aaime: Hum, the storm is still ahead acuster...<BR>
-aaime: (aka fm progressive merge)<BR>
-aaime: Just wanted to point out documenting a moving target is not easy :-p<BR>
-jgarnett: lets get 2.3 out, and then worry about FM when we have justin and a plan to consider.<BR>
-acuster: the user docs are still on the beach, sipping margaritas<BR>
-jgarnett: from my standpoint it only makes things less insane.<BR>
-acuster: we have not started yet<BR>
-jgarnett: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/GeoTools_Provenance_Review" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/GeoTools_Provenance_Review<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-jgarnett: action items 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 please<BR>
-aaime: Sorry, you mean that we are going to release 2.3 in a short while and then start mergin fm?<BR>
-jgarnett: rgould you can see 1.3 impacts the release process.<BR>
-jgarnett: 2.3 is ready now, the GC merge has happened and the IP check is done.<BR>
-jgarnett: want to release a milestone, as soon as rgould is better<BR>
-jgarnett: and then focus on docs while the rest of the modules fuss over the IP issues raised.<BR>
-jgarnett: 2.3 is happening very quick, geoserver needs it for WCS to fly<BR>
-aaime: Hmm... would be nice to have an uDig milestone running against 2.3 before releasing?<BR>
-acuster: can we make a target date for 2.3.0?<BR>
-jgarnett: and uDig is also chomping on the bit<BR>
-jgarnett: lets make it for FOSS4G<BR>
-acuster: so sept 5th (for a buffer)<BR>
-jgarnett: (I may want to delay based on assigning OSGEO (c) will know after this evening meeting)<BR>
-simboss: I think we discussed this before<BR>
-aaime: Too early in my opinion<BR>
-simboss: My ideal would be<BR>
-jgarnett: well lets get a milestone out right away and see what we are facing.<BR>
-aaime: A milestone is ok<BR>
-simboss: having something (udig, goeserver) running on top of it before relasing <BR>
-acuster: who&apos;s going to do it?<BR>
-aaime: gc merge is a 200 pounds gorilla falled onto the old sources<BR>
-aaime: better exercise them a little with geoserver trunk (not a branch) and uDig something<BR>
-jgarnett: rgould has been a trooper, but geoserver is going to be pushing schedule, perhaps a volunteer from three?<BR>
-jgarnett: indeed.<BR>
-aaime: Geoserver is ready for maybe a milestone, too, but there are quite a bit of bugs there too<BR>
-jgarnett: guys I will settle for a relase candidate, but here is the deal.<BR>
-jgarnett: the scope of 2.3 is fixed, so it is dead to me from a future development point of view.<BR>
-aaime: I agree with you, but how can you say the quality level is already above beta?<BR>
-simboss: correct<BR>
-jgarnett: aka I do not want things like gtxml sneaking in and messing with stability <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-jgarnett: getting a miletone out, and getting geosrever to use it.<BR>
-aaime: And you don&apos;t want a 2.3.x branch I suppose<BR>
-jgarnett: and then getting uDig to use it if possible.<BR>
-aaime: Jody, geoserver 1.4 is still quite a bit of a way to go<BR>
-aaime: the modularization changes broke quite a bit the user interface<BR>
-aaime: and that one is not unit tested (bad!)<BR>
-jgarnett: we will of course have a 2.3.x branch, and I have yet to hear abou the geosrever 1.4 ui module changes.<BR>
-jgarnett: is this new ui from the WCS? or what ... or is that another meeting.<BR>
-aaime: That&apos;s because ui modules are hard<BR>
-aaime: Yes, that&apos;s another meeting<BR>
-aaime: But don&apos;t expect 1.4.0 final to be out before end of September (optimistic estimate)<BR>
-jgarnett: um I lost my agenda item, gtbot help<BR>
-rgould: oops<BR>
-jgarnett: I do not mind if 1.4 is out, I just mind that geoserver (and udig?) are making use of trunk. I really do not think uDig will hesitate as the existing GC classes really hurt.<BR>
-jgarnett: 4. IP check is done here is what is next....<BR>
-jgarnett: - resolve issues<BR>
-jgarnett: - change release process<BR>
-aaime: Ok, that&apos;s a topic for discussion for tomorrow&apos;s Geoserver meeting<BR>
-jgarnett: - complete ui docs<BR>
-jgarnett: - assign (c) to OSGEO<BR>
-jgarnett: and then I think we are done ..<BR>
-acuster: - figure out a standard process for future<BR>
-jgarnett: um, acuster explain <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-acuster: well new committer arrives, are we going to get a letter from them?<BR>
-acuster: It occurred to me we could scan the letters as faxes into the code base<BR>
-acuster: faxes are legal instruments in the US at least<BR>
-acuster: so a new comer needs to print a form, sign it, and scan it <BR>
-acuster: then it lives in the repository<BR>
-jgarnett: interesting, let me resolve that in on the osgeo channel as the meeting is on ...<BR>
-aaime: I fear that would scare off new committers too<BR>
-jgarnett: lets see what they need to be happy.<BR>
-acuster: anything is better than repeating what jgarnett just went through<BR>
-cholmes: Though it also could potentially attract committers - knowing that the project takes such things seriously...<BR>
-jgarnett: cholmes++ I have recived input to this effect.<BR>
-aaime: Companies maybe, individuals, I&apos;d say not<BR>
-aaime: Just see the reactions for the commit access to the java code base<BR>
-aaime: You have to sign a fax in that case too<BR>
-jgarnett: guys, can we table this until we know more.<BR>
-jgarnett: we are at the end of our meeting time as it is.<BR>
-acuster: for gcj you have to sign saying you&apos;ve never seen the java source code<BR>
-aaime: Yeah<BR>
-jgarnett: 2.3 <BR>
-acuster: and that projet has been exponentiating recently<BR>
-jgarnett: we kind of covered this, any questions or can we move on?<BR>
-aaime: Ha, that&apos;s gross... you never programmed in java if you&apos;ve never seen java sources<BR>
-acuster: 2.3 you don&apos;t have a releaser yet<BR>
-jgarnett: hrm, okay I can do the grunt work if somebody can upload for me.<BR>
-jgarnett: I can usually find somebody with a real computer ....<BR>
-jgarnett: I will lead the charge on that, and it will be a good test of rgould release instructions, and a check to see if he has kept trunk in sync ;-P<BR>
-aaime: Not tonight <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-rgould: hehe<BR>
-rgould: eek<BR>
-jgarnett: 6. YourKit ...<BR>
-jgarnett: andrea your topic?<BR>
-aaime: Ok, I got the licenses, a bit disapponted thought<BR>
-aaime: They sent me 10 licenses<BR>
-aaime: I cannot share them into the version control<BR>
-aaime: have to give each one to a different individual and ensure no license is used by <BR>
-aaime: two people at the same time...<BR>
-aaime: The license ownership is given to the PMC thought<BR>
-jgarnett: that is a bit rough, sounds like a good opertunity for a open source project - license share as as a J2EE app<BR>
-aaime: ?<BR>
-jgarnett: well if the PMC accept them, they can make sure that their license is only being used at one time.<BR>
-acuster: enter stallman&apos;s axiom: you souldn&apos;t code free software with non-free tools if you can possibly avoid it<BR>
-aaime: Can we go along with a simple text file in version control saying that license 1 has been given to aaime, license2 to simboss, and so on?<BR>
-jgarnett: aka lend it to justin to work on oracle for a week ...<BR>
-acuster: license10 is token ring, leave a note when you are ready to pass it on<BR>
-aaime: acuster, I&apos;ve been using open source variants for 2 years and I&apos;m disappointed...<BR>
-aaime: Justin can take one if he needs to to work on gt2<BR>
-aaime: I&apos;m going to repeat the process for working onto geoserver<BR>
-aaime: Well, that&apos;s all for now. If you need a license just ask<BR>
-jgarnett: okay, andrea do you want to make a license signout wiki page ... and we can track it there. Sign them out to the PMC initially.<BR>
-jgarnett: or you just have them all until people ask.<BR>
-groldan: sorry for bothering, it might be already discused, but did you ever thought on using tptp instead?<BR>
+<P>rgould: 1) SQLBuilder and sorting: jdeolive <BR>
+jdeolive: i just wanted to open up a discussion, did anyone read my rant on the list<BR>
+aaime: Just did<BR>
+rgould: I glanced at it, but I&apos;m not that familiar with that area of the code<BR>
+aaime: Adding to SQLBuilder should be easy since the order by clause is standard sql<BR>
+jdeolive: that is what i thought as a well<BR>
+jdeolive: its not a big change<BR>
+aaime: for everyone else, just keep the naive approach<BR>
+aaime: (in memory sorting)<BR>
+aaime: and warn the user that this may happen<BR>
+aaime: On a shapefile, for example<BR>
+jdeolive: well i am not sure what other code i will hit right away<BR>
+aaime: there&apos;s no way out unless we build extra indexes like ESRI did<BR>
+jdeolive: for now postgis is my test bed<BR>
+jdeolive: shapefile is hard, do we have generic attribute indexing code<BR>
+aaime: None<BR>
+jdeolive: i know you did some btree stuff a while back andrea<BR>
+aaime: Me? No<BR>
+jdeolive: oh, my bad<BR>
+aaime: I played with spatial indexes a bit<BR>
+aaime: but that&apos;s another story<BR>
+jdeolive: Jesse_Eichar may have done some work in that area<BR>
+jdeolive: anyways, the SQLBuilder interface is specific to jdbc so the rest of the codebase can remain with the same support for sorting<BR>
+jdeolive: and we can gradually transfer them over<BR>
+jdeolive: shapefile would be nice to have, but perhaps for the final wfs 1.1 deliverable<BR>
+aaime: So we state in the javadocs that sorting may be unsupported?<BR>
+jdeolive: i dont think so, let me check the Query interface<BR>
+aaime: We would have to provide code some way to tell if the results are sorted or not<BR>
+aaime: so that anyone can write generic code and fall back on in-memory sorting if necessary<BR>
+aaime: Otherwise we do create an API that one cannot work against...<BR>
+aaime: (at least, not generically...)<BR>
+aaime: Do we have a concept of capabilities in the data stores?<BR>
+jdeolive: well from an api point of view currently, sorting is supported, but it is ignored by all datastores<BR>
+jdeolive: nope<BR>
+jdeolive: but it would be nice<BR>
+jdeolive: i can think of a couple of uses for it<BR>
+jdeolive: sorting would be one<BR>
+jdeolive: crs reprojection support would be another<BR>
+jdeolive: that is a pretty big fish to fry at this point<BR>
+aaime: Hmmm... didn&apos;t we add a reprojecting feature reader while back?<BR>
+jdeolive: yes<BR>
+aaime: I thought every datastore would be using that now<BR>
+jdeolive: but i was more thinking of doing the reprojection on the server side<BR>
+jdeolive: like postgis with proj linked in<BR>
+jdeolive: it woudl be faster then sucking all data out and reprojecting on teh fly<BR>
+aaime: I&apos;m not sure about that<BR>
+aaime: and besides, it would be supported only by a few datastores<BR>
+aaime: finally, I have the impression data stores know less CRS than we do?<BR>
+aaime: think also about custom CRS and the cascading CRS authority Martin is building<BR>
+jdeolive: fair enough, it was just an example<BR>
+aaime: No, it&apos;s a good one<BR>
+aaime: but delegating to the server is not always possible<BR>
+aaime: so you have to keep both code paths around<BR>
+jdeolive: oh definitley, i wasn;t implying that you wouldn&apos;t need the fallback code<BR>
+jdeolive: just a lot of operations can be optimized on the server and that the notion of capabilities would be a good way to express that<BR>
+jdeolive: but it also requirs a smarter client<BR>
+jdeolive: so who knows<BR>
+jdeolive: anyways, gettign back on track<BR>
+jdeolive: hopefully a few more people will chime up on the list<BR>
 aaime: Ok.<BR>
-jgarnett: 7. Comercial Support for GeoTools<BR>
-aaime: Don&apos;t get me started with that piece of junk<BR>
-acuster: simboss<BR>
-acuster: that&apos;s you<BR>
-jgarnett: um we should probably have a page for this?<BR>
-simboss: that is my idea<BR>
-acuster: are you offering commercial support?<BR>
-simboss: if someone asks <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-simboss: anyway <BR>
-simboss: yeah <BR>
-simboss: If I spend my time <BR>
-simboss: on geotools<BR>
-simboss: and I donate code and everything<BR>
-jgarnett: refractions has offered suport for some time, and been taken up on it<BR>
-simboss: I would not mind seen my name there<BR>
-simboss: just for marketing<BR>
-acuster: where?<BR>
-simboss: it is not something related to copyright or anything<BR>
-jgarnett: geoserer and udig also have commercial support pages and would urge people to list their companies there.<BR>
-simboss: like for geoserver<BR>
-simboss: where there is a commercial support page<BR>
-acuster: on the webpage?<BR>
-acuster: on the website?<BR>
-simboss: yeah<BR>
-acuster: can&apos;t you just add yourself?<BR>
-simboss: Well<BR>
-simboss: I think that such a thing<BR>
-aaime: It would be nicer to have an official page, just like<BR>
-simboss: would require a discussion first<BR>
-simboss: I do not think that anybody can go there<BR>
-acuster: yes, that makes sense<BR>
-simboss: and write<BR>
-aaime: this one: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/Commercial%20Support" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/Commercial+Support<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-cholmes: For GeoServer I set a bit of a bar to let people on the comercial support page.<BR>
-simboss: I am the core contributor of geotools<BR>
-simboss: I do everything<BR>
-simboss: I think we need a page<BR>
-jgarnett: (can I play too <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://udig.refractions.net/confluence/display/UDIG/Support" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://udig.refractions.net/confluence/display/UDIG/Support<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN>)<BR>
-simboss: but also a simple procedure<BR>
-cholmes: With GeoTools perhaps we could say that companies with members on the PSC can list as &apos;core contributors&apos;<BR>
-cholmes: Or even just &apos;commercial companies with PSC members&apos;.<BR>
-acuster: So motion is to add a &apos;commercial support&apos; page to the website with members vetted by the PMC<BR>
-acuster: s/members/listed support companies<BR>
-cholmes: And then a space for any one who claims they have some gt2 experience as well perhaps.<BR>
-jgarnett: um, I would rather see simboss add the page, and mention it in email.<BR>
-cholmes: +1 on that motion.<BR>
-jgarnett: I do not think we need to step in with policy unless it becomes a problem.<BR>
-cholmes: Ok, but I think simboss is at least looking for some vague support that it&apos;s a good idea.<BR>
-cholmes: even if it&apos;s not official &apos;policy&apos;.<BR>
-simboss: I mean<BR>
-simboss: nobody is trying to take over<BR>
-aaime: Thinking about it, for the same reason it&apos;s better to keep the yourkit license list off the wiki publicly editable part of the site<BR>
-simboss: but I can say that quite some companies in italy<BR>
-simboss: are starting to use geotools<BR>
-jgarnett: I think it is a good idea, and we may even have had a page in the past.<BR>
-simboss: claiming they are experts and blah blah<BR>
-simboss: that could even be bad for the project<BR>
-simboss: if you get my point<BR>
-acuster: simboss: if you create the page, add a link in the first section of the navigation bar (near the top)<BR>
-simboss: I will do that tomorrow evening<BR>
-simboss: not before<BR>
-acuster: say, above &quot;thanks&quot;<BR>
-simboss: sorry <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-aaime: Yeah, distgruntled customers that will start bad mouth geotools just because they met the wrong support provider <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-jgarnett: well simboss, if you start with an example of name, contact info, and a date range in years you will be a hard act to follow<BR>
-simboss: good suggestion<BR>
-aaime: Guys, how do we limit page editing to a subset of the registered users?<BR>
-jgarnett: Is that the meeting done?<BR>
-aaime: This was the last topic<BR>
-acuster: thanks everyone<BR>
-cholmes: aaime: you can do it if you&apos;re a jira admin...<BR>
-groldan: aaime, not sure, but at least we can &quot;watch&quot; the page and take some action upon a non authorized adition</P>
+jdeolive: andrea, if you could reply with your concern about api documentation and not supporting sorting that would be good<BR>
+jdeolive: and perhaps an implementation of some in memory sorting code<BR>
+aaime: Well, that&apos;s easy :-p<BR>
+aaime: Just assume the attribute you&apos;re sorting against it&apos;s comparable <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+aaime: If we go beyond that, we need a ComparatoryFactory somewhere<BR>
+jdeolive: sorry, i wasn&apos;;t asking for the how, just that it is needed <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+aaime: Oh, sorry man <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+jdeolive: i think i still have my 1st year data structures and algorithms book lying around somwhere <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+jdeolive: no worries<BR>
+jdeolive: so unless anyone has anything else i am all done<BR>
+groldan: now that you&apos;ve talk about SQLBuilder<BR>
+groldan: I have a somewhat unrelated question<BR>
+groldan: in the upgrade path to GeoAPI Filter, what we could do with the lack of FilterVisitor?<BR>
+jdeolive: good question<BR>
+groldan: if we&apos;re going to not having to cast all the time to the geotools impl<BR>
+jdeolive: i brought up the lack of a FIlterVisitor with geoapi<BR>
+jdeolive: and was rejected<BR>
+aaime: Why?<BR>
+desruisseaux: By who?<BR>
+jdeolive: but when jody actually looked at the api again, he suggested it<BR>
+jdeolive: jody<BR>
+aaime: So what&apos;s the situation now?<BR>
+jdeolive: i think it is generally agreed to be a good idea, jsut have to add teh interface<BR>
+aaime: Ok<BR>
+groldan: so there is still hope?<BR>
+jdeolive: actually, i am sorry, i was thinking of FeatureVisitor<BR>
+jdeolive: there is a FilterVisitor in geoapi<BR>
+jdeolive: an ExpressionVisitor as well<BR>
+groldan: sure? so my bad, sorry<BR>
+jdeolive: yup, it should be in there<BR>
+jdeolive: however the geotools code is still pretty tied to the old interface<BR>
+aaime: Btw, about the b-tree support, I&apos;m mailing the original hsql author... keep fingers crossed<BR>
+groldan: it is, I would have been confused by FeatureVisitor<BR>
+jdeolive: no worries, so was I <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+aaime: Next topic?<BR>
+rgould: ok, desruisseaux, did you want to bring up your question?<BR>
+desruisseaux: Minor question about backward compatibility<BR>
+desruisseaux: Some non-static inner classes were changed as static inner classes in order to workaround a Clover bug.<BR>
+desruisseaux: But those inner classes was part of public API.<BR>
+desruisseaux: So we have an (admitly small) compatibility break.<BR>
+aaime: Ah, my bad...<BR>
+desruisseaux: If in a future version Clover fix their bug and we switch back to non-static inner class, it would be an other compatibility break.<BR>
+desruisseaux: No worry Andrea<BR>
+aaime: I hardly imagine anyone using/extending those directly thought<BR>
+desruisseaux: Those classes are in a small corner of the API.<BR>
+desruisseaux: Yes, this is why the compatibility break may not hurt a lot of peoples. But it may hurt some - no idea how many.<BR>
+desruisseaux: Just wanted to known what people feel about that.<BR>
+aaime: Well, we did not release with the changes applied, right? Besides, would we need to go back?<BR>
+rgould: was this on trunk or 2.2.x or both?<BR>
+desruisseaux: There is no release with the changes applied (expept 2.3-M0). Going back would just provides a slightly more &quot;elegant&quot; API.<BR>
+aaime: Well, I never seen those classes before applying the fix...<BR>
+desruisseaux: We could put the question in an other way. To we refrain ourself from using a language feature (in this particular case, non-static inner class) for working around a clover bug, or to we hope for a bug fix in a future clover release?<BR>
+aaime: I don&apos;t see the difference style wise... Martin, do you have a java style book?<BR>
+aaime: (I had one for C++ for example)<BR>
+desruisseaux: I don&apos;t have any java style book. It was just about using a language feature in the way is was designed... I means, when an inner class want access to non-static methods of the enclosing class, non-static inner classes were added to the Java language exactly for that.<BR>
+aaime: My point of view is that having a tool to asses code coverage is order or magnitude more important than using a language feature<BR>
+groldan: I guess that if the inner class was converted to static inner without problem, that means that it should have been static from the beginning<BR>
+aaime: Yet, if nobody besides me is using it now<BR>
+aaime: then it&apos;s probably not as important to others <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+desruisseaux: The inner classes were converted to static inner class with the addition of a private field which is an instance of the enclosing class. This is the addition of this private field which is duplicating the non-static inner class mechanism.<BR>
+aaime: Yes, this is true<BR>
+desruisseaux: I admit that a good tool for measuring test coverage is very valuable.<BR>
+aaime: I tried two<BR>
+aaime: clover and cobertura<BR>
+aaime: unfortunately the cobertura plugin does not handle multi-module projects<BR>
+aaime: the build from the top level just breaks with it<BR>
+aaime: so I was left with clover on nothing ;-(<BR>
+aaime: (clover <EM>or</EM> nothing)<BR>
+aaime: I wouldn&apos;t have changed classes otherwise<BR>
+desruisseaux: I realize that and I appreciate a lot your effort. Just trying to put pros and cons in the balance. I guess that the referencing module was about the only one to use non-static inner classes?<BR>
+aaime: Yes<BR>
+aaime: Martin, when I looked at that code I found inheriting from an inner class defined in the base class, well, quite convoluted<BR>
+aaime: was the first time I found code doing that<BR>
+aaime: Maybe it&apos;s just me, I don&apos;t like inner classes anyways...<BR>
+aaime: (the only exclusion is anonymous inner ones because otherwise swing code would be unreadable...)<BR>
+aaime: Anyway, Martin, reading again your question<BR>
+aaime: No, it&apos;s not the only one using non static inner classes<BR>
+aaime: it&apos;s the only one having a non static inner class inheriting from another non static inner class<BR>
+aaime: that&apos;s what breaks Clover<BR>
+aaime: given that it&apos;s a tool used in many open source project and nobody complained so far<BR>
+aaime: it seems you have used one of those rarely know language features <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+aaime: An example of inner-class happy code is the DataUtilities... makes me sick every time I look at it <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+aaime: (sorry Jody(<BR>
+desruisseaux: A few years ago, Sun documentation said that using inner class instead of a private field to the enclosing class may allows some additional compiler optimization. I don&apos;t know if it still true today however.<BR>
+desruisseaux: (HotSpot compiler tend to be pretty good)<BR>
+aaime: Yeah... it improved a lot just between 1.5.0_07 and 1.5.0_08 <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+aaime: (I do see Eclipse go faster, and I&apos;m not the only one)<BR>
+aaime: So, are we done?<BR>
+rgould: looks like it</P>
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-<P>Here is a discussion about the coverage API changes, and if we roll them off trunk into a branch for refinement (and revert trunk coverage code to geotools 2.0 tag).</P>
 
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-<P><SPAN class="error">&#91;11:11:59 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: morning all<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:12:04 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:12:17 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I would like to fix geotool trunk, and started prepping a geoapi release based on trunk.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:12:33 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I need to know if I need to rollback (to a branch) the coverage changes made ...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:12:46 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (or if you guys want to fix things on geotools trunk)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:13:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: we already siwtched to trunk<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:13:22 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: sorry for the rush, I am only going to have a few days this month to help, and I am not sure who else is set up to make a geoapi milestone release.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:13:26 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: there is no need to go and fix the old branch<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:13:29 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: nope that is not what I ment simboss.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:13:38 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: GeoServer is alredy using gt trunk<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:13:48 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: let me send you guys a &quot;new&quot; geoapi jar made from geoapi &quot;trunk&quot;<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:13:56 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: ok<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:14:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: it has a different coverage interterface (a few methods deprecated and/or changed)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:14:17 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: and I need to know what you guys want to do ...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:15:03 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: can you provide a link to some javadocs?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:15:05 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: afaik<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:15:07 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: coverage interafces<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:15:15 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: should be unchanged<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:15:19 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: jar is being sent now .... it is geoapi-2.1-M0<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:15:20 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: desides the work<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:15:23 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: on iso 19123<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:15:31 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (aka a milestone release rather then a dated timestamp thing that justin made from eclipse)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:15:33 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: which should be independent<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:16:02 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: there are a couple changes, for javadocs you can visit the geoapi site ... let me find a link<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:16:31 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (I have an uncommited change to trunk, moving over to the jar I sent you - I would like to commit and fix the coverage implementations in one go ...)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:16:36 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: hopefully the changes should not break our work ... maybe there are some deprecated methods we could remove<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:16:51 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (I am not sure if you understood that geotools trunk, was a right mess w/ respect to geoapi snapshot jar)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:17:10 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: I saw that when a played a bit with features and ordering<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:17:14 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: the changes are not too bad, I did them on the FM branch (thought I sent email about this, even yesterday)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:17:16 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: remember?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:17:32 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: features and ordering?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:17:41 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: do you mean Filter 1.1 and sortBy ?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:17:53 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: yeah<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:17:59 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: right, that is some of what we got.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:18:23 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: but there are also changes made to geoapi on coverage, something returing an Object or a Set etc...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:18:34 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I sent out an email with some same error reports yesterday - shall we read it together?<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:19:00 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: lemme see<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:19:04 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: I&apos;m going to inspect the jar<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:19:06 AM&#93;</SPAN> * Jody Garnett added Andrea Aime to this chat<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:19:14 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: going to find you the javadocs ...<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:19:25 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: do you remember the subject of the email<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:19:32 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: yesterady was out on consultancy<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:19:39 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: maybe I missed it<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:19:47 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: found it<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:19:50 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: switching trunk to geoapi-nogenerics ... exerpiment<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:20:14 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: evaulatingInverse - whatever that is....<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:20:24 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: well<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:20:30 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: basically<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:20:33 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: if that is the problem<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:20:51 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://geoapi.sourceforge.net/pending/javadoc/" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://geoapi.sourceforge.net/pending/javadoc/<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:20:52 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: we can just provide a blank implementation<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:20:59 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: cause I do not really think<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:21:09 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: that inverse evaluation is something worth to block us<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:21:15 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: at least for the time being<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:21:18 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Or we can check what I did on the FM branch, at least a couple things needed to call through to different methods in order to compile and pass tests.<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:21:20 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: We might ask martin<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:21:27 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: martin is away <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/sad.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:21:32 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: but he is away<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:21:42 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Note simboss I can also rollback this coverage interface change from geoapi trunk<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:21:43 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: (<IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"> )<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:21:47 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (and leave it on a branch only)<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:21:54 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: I would rather do that<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:22:00 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: but I wanted you guys to make this call ... cause you know/understand/care <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:22:10 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: because otherwise<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:22:16 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: we would have kind of a mix up<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:22:20 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://geoapi.sourceforge.net/pending/javadoc/org/opengis/coverage/Coverage.html" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://geoapi.sourceforge.net/pending/javadoc/org/opengis/coverage/Coverage.html<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:22:32 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: between GC IS from OGC and ISO 19123<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:22:44 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: yeah<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:22:50 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: um, okay  ... see you understand<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:23:05 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: In this release I would not put the new coverage interfaces<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:23:07 AM&#93;</SPAN> simboss1... says: or at most<BR>
-<SPAN class="error">&#91;11:23:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I will try and rollback, but if I fail I will need to ask us to stub the methods as per the FM branch.<BR>

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