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Subject svn commit: r429671 [5/10] - in /incubator/activemq/site: ./ cimero-editor.data/ configuring-brokers.data/ jboss-integration.data/ jca-container.data/ jdbc-master-slave.data/ navigation.data/ shared-file-system-master-slave.data/ visualisation.data/
Date Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:51:00 GMT
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-                                                    <B><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/2006/08/01/Tuesday,%20August%201,%20first%20meeting">Tuesday, August 1, first meeting (created)</A></B>
+                                                    <B><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=59664">The Brazilian Java Magazine published &quot;Learning Groovy&quot; (updated)</A></B>
                         
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-                            created by <B>    <A href="http://goopen.org/display/~aaime">Andrea Aime</A></B>  (<A href="mailto:andrea.aime@aliceposta.it">andrea.aime@aliceposta.it</A>)        on Aug 01, 2006 03:11
+                            updated by <B>    <A href="http://goopen.org/display/~ivanfontes">Ivan Fontes Garcia</A></B> (<A href="mailto:ivanfontes@gmail.com">ivanfontes@gmail.com</A>) to
+            <A href="http://goopen.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=59664">revision 2</A>
+            on Aug 08, 2006 07:00.
+                    created by <B>    <A href="http://goopen.org/display/~ivanfontes">Ivan Fontes Garcia</A></B>  (<A href="mailto:ivanfontes@gmail.com">ivanfontes@gmail.com</A>)        on Aug 08, 2006 06:58
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-    <P>So lets put together an agenda ....<BR>
-[9.14.30] Jody Garnett scrive:1) PSC forming ... we need to read and respond to Chris&apos;s email ... and then vote<BR>
-[9.14.42] Jody Garnett scrive:2) GeoServer 1.4.0 rollout - we are stuck behind geotools<BR>
-[9.15.01] Jody Garnett scrive:3) GeoServer 1.4.x w/ WCS - we are stuck behind geoapi<BR>
-[9.15.08] Jody Garnett scrive:anybody else got one <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-[9.15.56] Andrea Aime scrive:4) Automated code formatting? (but please vote on the list)<BR>
-[9.16.14] Rob Atkinson scrive:axis order from geotools - do we really know how it will impact geoserver?<BR>
-[9.16.29] Clint Lewis scrive:Jody can add Alessio to the other window<BR>
-[9.16.36] * Jody Garnett aggiunto Alessio Fabiani a questa chat<BR>
-[9.16.51] Jody Garnett scrive:(um can only I add people?)<BR>
-[9.17.14] Andrea Aime scrive:Rob, maybe this is better discussed on the ml, or as point 5) ?<BR>
-[9.17.24] Andrea Aime scrive:(nope,everybody can)<BR>
-[9.17.25] Jody Garnett scrive:okay lets start with brent&apos;s usual 0) what are people up to <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-[9.17.34] Alessio Fabiani scrive:hi<BR>
-[9.18.00] Andrea Aime scrive:Me, nothing in particular, giving my best Sundays to the geotools build system lately <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/tongue.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-[9.18.07] Jody Garnett scrive:Jody - trying to put together a geoserver based project (still). Will try and keep up with PSC this week.<BR>
-[9.18.16] Clint Lewis scrive:Nothing on my side<BR>
-[9.18.43] Alessio Fabiani scrive:I&apos;m finishing Grib plugin and building a tool for mosaics<BR>
-[9.19.10] Andrea Aime scrive:A tool? A graphical one to build a mosaic out of a monolithic image?<BR>
-[9.19.32] Alessio Fabiani scrive:no no, just a command line utility to build the index shapefile<BR>
-[9.19.51] Andrea Aime scrive:Ah, so you already got to have the set of tiles done?<BR>
-[9.19.59] Alessio Fabiani scrive:yes<BR>
-[9.20.14] * Clint Lewis aggiunto Gerhard Goosen a questa chat<BR>
-[9.20.22] Andrea Aime scrive:Hum, I have some 800MB images here, would be nice to have something to mosaic them<BR>
-[9.20.24] * Jody Garnett ha modificato l&apos;argomento della chat in &quot;GeoServer 1) PSC 2) 1.4.0 3) trunk 4) code format 5) axis order&quot;<BR>
-[9.20.36] Jody Garnett scrive:he he - okay moving on ...<BR>
-[9.20.38] Alessio Fabiani scrive:<IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-[9.20.46] Jody Garnett scrive:Q: has everyone had a chance to review chris&apos;s email?<BR>
-[9.20.58] Rob Atkinson scrive:Aye<BR>
-[9.21.05] Jody Garnett scrive:I have, but have not reviewed his changes to the documents. So I am not read to vote in this meeting....<BR>
-[9.21.25] Andrea Aime scrive:Nope<BR>
-[9.21.38] Andrea Aime scrive:Just saw it now<BR>
-[9.21.41] Jody Garnett scrive:so perhaps we want to go through his pages together, or take this to the mailing list for careful thought. We have one week to provide feedback last I checked)<BR>
-[9.21.52] Clint Lewis scrive:r u talking about &quot;GSIP #1 - Project Steering Committee.&quot;<BR>
-[9.21.55] Jody Garnett scrive:yes.<BR>
-[9.22.07] Andrea Aime scrive:Better take time to read it I&apos;d say<BR>
-[9.22.32] Jody Garnett scrive:(guys I need to step out, please continue without me ... Rob would you take care of keeping the meeting churning through the agenda please?)<BR>
-[9.23.10] Rob Atkinson scrive:OK<BR>
-[9.23.25] Clint Lewis scrive:Jody stepped out.. if we get stuck I will drag him back..<BR>
-[9.23.34] Clint Lewis scrive:have his permission <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-[9.23.39] Rob Atkinson scrive:I think we have enough to suggest we dont vote now &#45;any comments to share now?<BR>
-[9.23.51] Andrea Aime scrive:Not at the moment, no<BR>
-[9.24.26] Rob Atkinson scrive:OK 2) tell us about 1.4.0 release<BR>
-[9.24.53] Andrea Aime scrive:I think we are stuck for the simple reason 2.2.0 is not out<BR>
-[9.25.11] Andrea Aime scrive:And we&apos;ll have to fix mappane before that release can go<BR>
-[9.25.21] Andrea Aime scrive:(maybe also the wfs client)<BR>
-[9.25.36] Andrea Aime scrive:The first one is something we deserve to users since we removed the old map pane<BR>
-[9.25.50] Andrea Aime scrive:And to Adrian which is taking on his shoulder the documentation effort<BR>
-[9.27.12] Andrea Aime scrive:That&apos;s all more or less<BR>
-[9.27.38] Andrea Aime scrive:Ah, we also have Justin stuck with some documentation work for 1.4.0 afaik<BR>
-[9.27.52] Rob Atkinson scrive:OK - so there is a functionally complete and tested 1.4, and its simply a policy thing that we dont release without the goetools docs?<BR>
-[9.28.07] Andrea Aime scrive:We don&apos;t release without our docs and a geotools release<BR>
-[9.28.23] Andrea Aime scrive:At the moment we are building against 2.2.x-RC5-snapshot<BR>
-[9.28.46] Rob Atkinson scrive:OK - some doco requirements for geoserver itself. Sticking point here?<BR>
-[9.28.54] Andrea Aime scrive:I do think it&apos;s just common sense to avoid releasing against unfinished peer libraries<BR>
-[9.29.11] Andrea Aime scrive:You have to ask Justin, I don&apos;t really know what&apos;s missing<BR>
-[9.29.25] Andrea Aime scrive:There are some JIRA issues filed against 1.4.0 thought, doc related<BR>
-[9.29.37] Rob Atkinson scrive:OK - what needs discussing here to progress things?<BR>
-[9.30.09] Clint Lewis scrive:can we go through those issues<BR>
-[9.30.12] Andrea Aime scrive:Well, I do think someone may want to go and fix mappane (will do, but allow me to do that during the weekend)<BR>
-[9.30.24] Clint Lewis scrive:some of them are just pending Justin&apos;s ok<BR>
-[9.30.32] Clint Lewis scrive:approval<BR>
-[9.30.54] Andrea Aime scrive:Ok, so lets write some mail to Justin asking about it and offering our help?<BR>
-[9.31.43] Andrea Aime scrive:Ok, going to write that email.<BR>
-[9.31.45] Andrea Aime scrive:Next topic?<BR>
-[9.32.02] Clint Lewis scrive:3) Trunk<BR>
-[9.32.31] Rob Atkinson scrive:Suggestion - should we get the geotools release and help needed status provided as a formal input to these meetings so we can deal with it more efficiently? I release its the same people<BR>
-[9.33.19] Andrea Aime scrive:Not sure I understand<BR>
-[9.34.02] Alessio Fabiani scrive:In the trunk relase of GeoServer there are some bugs which I have corrected in the wcs one<BR>
-[9.34.27] Andrea Aime scrive:Alessio, the policy should be that every time you fix a bug in a branch you should fix it in the trunk as well<BR>
-[9.34.31] Andrea Aime scrive:I know it&apos;s painful<BR>
-[9.34.56] Andrea Aime scrive:But we risk releasing with known bugs otherwise<BR>
-[9.35.05] Alessio Fabiani scrive:ok, so if you agree I can correct rhose bugs in the trunk too<BR>
-[9.36.04] Rob Atkinson scrive:The plan is to bring WCS home to trunk soon, then once it works well enough to kick that out as a 1.5 release ?<BR>
-[9.36.10] Alessio Fabiani scrive:the bugs are about the incomplete porting of the old release<BR>
-[9.36.14] Andrea Aime scrive:If you want to add cake topping too, open a JIRA bugs about them so that we can have them in the changelog<BR>
-[9.36.40] Andrea Aime scrive:Rob, the problem is that we will have to wait a gt2 2.3 release<BR>
-[9.36.55] Andrea Aime scrive:Which in turn is stuck because it&apos;s building against geoapi trunk<BR>
-[9.37.04] Alessio Fabiani scrive:for example the getInternal method was used to retrieve resources but this method returns null objects and somthing like this<BR>
-[9.37.17] Andrea Aime scrive:So the proper order is: fix geoapi and release it<BR>
-[9.37.43] Andrea Aime scrive:Fix geotools and have geoserver hammer it a bit (lots of changes, so likeliness of having bugs around)<BR>
-[9.37.49] Andrea Aime scrive:Release geotools, release geoserver<BR>
-[9.37.54] Andrea Aime scrive:That will take quite some time<BR>
-[9.38.32] Andrea Aime scrive:The problem is that gt2 trunk has been abandoned for quite some time and scary things happened in the meantime<BR>
-[9.38.55] Andrea Aime scrive:We are trying to recover and get things straight again, but it&apos;s not like pushing a button and calling it done <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/sad.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-[9.39.39] Andrea Aime scrive:Did I answer you question Rob? (althougth maybe with something not pleasing to hear?)<BR>
-[9.39.43] Rob Atkinson scrive:The issue is to minimise effort wasted on branches that could be making the trunk more robust.<BR>
-[9.40.10] Andrea Aime scrive:Well, 1.4.x+wcs will be the next trunk<BR>
-[9.40.13] Alessio Fabiani scrive:my branch is always aligned with trunk ...<BR>
-[9.40.20] Andrea Aime scrive:And I think there&apos;s agreement on that<BR>
-[9.40.35] Andrea Aime scrive:On geotools land, we&apos;ll first release 2.3 and then merge the FM branch<BR>
-[9.40.57] Andrea Aime scrive:So I think this branch-happy season will come to an end before the end of the year<BR>
-[9.41.21] Andrea Aime scrive:Geoserver is now in a position where branching is no more needed that much hopefully<BR>
-[9.41.43] Alessio Fabiani scrive:however I will open some JIRA tasks for the problems I have found and I will fix the bugs I can<BR>
-[9.41.50] Rob Atkinson scrive:OK - so 2.2. is not yet released - whats the prognosis for 2.3 ?<BR>
-[9.42.10] Andrea Aime scrive:2.2 can be released in 1-2 weeks I think<BR>
-[9.42.23] simboss18830 scrive:morning all<BR>
-[9.42.23] Alessio Fabiani scrive:2.3 is now the geotools trunk<BR>
-[9.42.30] Andrea Aime scrive:2.3, hah, couple of months?<BR>
-[9.42.44] Rob Atkinson scrive:I suppose one driver will be GML 3 support for WFS 1.1 - this is due for sept? Whats the planned geoserver release for this?<BR>
-[9.42.49] Andrea Aime scrive:It all depends on how fast we can get a damned geoapi 2.1 release<BR>
-[9.43.20] Andrea Aime scrive:Rob, I&apos;m not up to date on that one?<BR>
-[9.43.41] Andrea Aime scrive:Afaik people who have tried on GML 3 run away in despair?<BR>
-[9.43.58] Rob Atkinson scrive:Its the OWS 4 WFS 1.1 reference implementation - need someone from TOPP on that.<BR>
-[9.44.32] Andrea Aime scrive:Better leave the question in the logs and have the second meeting answer that one then<BR>
-[9.44.34] Gabriel Rold&aacute;n scrive:I guess topp is engaged to only provide simple profile support<BR>
-[9.44.36] Rob Atkinson scrive:To avoid version fatigue, we should maybe aim for 1.5 to have WCS + 2.3 + WFS 1.1<BR>
-[9.45.08] Andrea Aime scrive:Hmm.... two major changes in one release... not sure I like it from a stability standpoint<BR>
-[9.45.34] Andrea Aime scrive:Unless WFS1.1 can be a new module and we can keep 1.0 kicking around and stable<BR>
-[9.45.37] Rob Atkinson scrive:Simple Featuires Level 1 profile = complex features.&nbsp; Level 2 = FM<BR>
-[9.46.13] Andrea Aime scrive:Rob, let&apos;s have TOPP people answer that one<BR>
-[9.46.30] Andrea Aime scrive:And/or have a formal PSC vote on the mailing list<BR>
-[9.46.34] Rob Atkinson scrive:We have several stability issues - too many versions means reduced testing effort.<BR>
-[9.46.57] Andrea Aime scrive:But first I want to hear who is going to implement GML3 and what are his timelines<BR>
-[9.47.39] Andrea Aime scrive:Rob, if this is a concern we really have to improve/extend our automated testing procedures<BR>
-[9.47.51] Andrea Aime scrive:Anyway, the alloted hour is going away... next topic?<BR>
-[9.47.52] Gabriel Rold&aacute;n scrive:I don&apos;t know of anyone that plans to do that in the short term<BR>
-[9.47.52] Gabriel Rold&aacute;n scrive:sigh<BR>
-[9.48.39] Andrea Aime scrive:Guys, 10 minutes left. We call it a day or we try to face at least 4)?<BR>
-[9.48.52] Rob Atkinson scrive:WFS 1.1 requires GML 3.1.1 as the normative response format. Only needs simple geometries though<BR>
-[9.49.23] Rob Atkinson scrive:OK - 4) automated code formatting<BR>
-[9.49.29] Andrea Aime scrive:Rob, nobody here is going to work on GML3, so this a topic for the second meeting<BR>
-[9.49.50] Rob Atkinson scrive:I suggest a proposal along the lines of GSIP - this will affect many developers<BR>
-[9.50.06] Andrea Aime scrive:Yes, I do agree<BR>
-[9.50.09] Gabriel Rold&aacute;n scrive:sure<BR>
-[9.50.24] Gabriel Rold&aacute;n scrive:just talk to chris and justing first<BR>
-[9.50.35] Gabriel Rold&aacute;n scrive:to see what they have planned for OWS4<BR>
-[9.50.42] Gabriel Rold&aacute;n scrive:and what not<BR>
-[9.50.47] Andrea Aime scrive:Ok, I&apos;ll try to setup a proposal then<BR>
-[9.50.53] Rob Atkinson scrive:Sorry - I though we&apos;d moved on to 4)<BR>
-[9.50.55] Andrea Aime scrive:And send it to the ml/wiki<BR>
-[9.51.26] Andrea Aime scrive:Heh, I do think we already finished 4), unless someone has a straigh &#45;1 against automated formatting<BR>
-[9.51.49] Andrea Aime scrive:(aka, don&apos;t want to take time and write a proposal if someone has strong points against it)<BR>
-[9.51.51] Gabriel Rold&aacute;n scrive:(Rob, its just me that I&apos;m still sleepy, sorry)<BR>
-[9.52.40] Andrea Aime scrive:Ok, quick peek into 5)?<BR>
-[9.53.00] Rob Atkinson scrive:A proposal wont be long, and we&apos;ll need to specify the automation procedure anyway so people can follow it. Make it a GSIP<BR>
-[9.53.10] Andrea Aime scrive:Ok<BR>
-[9.53.40] Rob Atkinson scrive:5) Axis order.<BR>
-[9.54.09] Rob Atkinson scrive:Personally I&apos;m scared of this derailing interoperability big time.<BR>
-[9.54.14] Andrea Aime scrive:Ok, short answer is, 1.4 will work only if the original data is in long/lat axis order<BR>
-[9.54.25] Andrea Aime scrive:as 1.3 does as well<BR>
-[9.54.42] Alessio Fabiani scrive:the axis order should be solved with new GeoTools code<BR>
-[9.54.49] Rob Atkinson scrive:Too much crazy stuff (like if you use a urn id for CRS it gets intepreted differently to EPSG:XXXX)<BR>
-[9.55.10] Andrea Aime scrive:urn?<BR>
-[9.55.34] simboss18830 scrive:the newly proposed standard<BR>
-[9.55.35] Rob Atkinson scrive:I sent an email - not seen it yet - about proper separation of concerns. Discussion for geotools, but do we need to think about impact?<BR>
-[9.55.38] simboss18830 scrive:for managing crs<BR>
-[9.55.47] Alessio Fabiani scrive:you can specify how to decode the EPSG:XX by using hints or specific CRSFactories<BR>
-[9.55.51] simboss18830 scrive:is using complex and long urn<BR>
-[9.56.10] Andrea Aime scrive:Uniform Resource N????<BR>
-[9.56.14] simboss18830 scrive:name<BR>
-[9.56.18] Andrea Aime scrive:Ah<BR>
-[9.56.27] simboss18830 scrive:let me grab an examle<BR>
-[9.56.43] simboss18830 scrive:urn:ogc:def:crs:EPSG:6.0:4277<BR>
-[9.56.58] Rob Atkinson scrive:Its the fact that different identifier forms are supposed to be handled differently &#33; I dont believe it will happen.<BR>
-[9.56.58] Alessio Fabiani scrive:urn means that specifing the name of a rescource you don&apos;t have to specify its location (path)<BR>
-[9.56.58] Andrea Aime scrive:Ah, I see. With the authority included<BR>
-[9.57.20] simboss18830 scrive:yeah<BR>
-[9.57.22] simboss18830 scrive:sooner or later<BR>
-[9.57.34] Rob Atkinson scrive:WMS 1.3 basically never got deployed because it changed CRS order, everyone reckoned WMS 1.1 was good enough...<BR>
-[9.57.35] simboss18830 scrive:we will have to write a referencing authority<BR>
-[9.57.38] simboss18830 scrive:for this urn based form<BR>
-[9.58.03] Andrea Aime scrive:A kind of wrapper that queries the authorities we do have now?<BR>
-[9.58.44] simboss18830 scrive:more or less<BR>
-[9.58.49] simboss18830 scrive:but Martin is the guru<BR>
-[9.58.54] simboss18830 scrive:as well as jody<BR>
-[9.59.18] simboss18830 scrive:did anybody read the extra IRC about axes order from yesterday evening?<BR>
-[10.00.08] Andrea Aime scrive:(was there)<BR>
-[10.00.16] Rob Atkinson scrive:For now, I suggest we go away and think about what the users are going to do in the face of this. We cant solve now, but there will be a requirement at some point to make a decision about support for standards as written, vs whatever emerges as practice.<BR>
-[10.00.28] Andrea Aime scrive:Ok<BR>
-[10.00.33] Andrea Aime scrive:Let&apos;s call it done then?<BR>
-[10.00.46] Rob Atkinson scrive:Done&#33;</P>
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-                            created by <B>    <A href="http://goopen.org/display/~acuster">Adrian Custer</A></B>  (<A href="mailto:acuster@gmail.com">acuster@gmail.com</A>)        on Jul 31, 2006 15:02
+                            created by <B>    <A href="http://goopen.org/display/~jive">Jody Garnett</A></B>  (<A href="mailto:jgarnett@refractions.net">jgarnett@refractions.net</A>)        on Aug 08, 2006 03:45
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-<P>A sloppy weekly meeting:<BR>
-1) Nothing said against YourKit<BR>
-2) 2.2.0 good to go (except it doesn&apos;t compile right at this instant)<BR>
-3) 2.2.0 still scheduled to go out after rgould&apos;s exams (unless you decide to release before)<BR>
-4) WFS will be made permissive to incorrect requrests (but with some mumbling)</P>
+<P>1) GSIP#1<BR>
+2) GSIP#2<BR>
+3) FOSS Plans</P>
 
-<DIV class="preformatted"><DIV class="preformattedContent">
-<PRE>* cholmes (n=chatzill@dsl027-150-159.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #geotools
-* gtbot (n=gtbot@mail.refractions.net) has joined #geotools
-&lt;chorner&gt; gtbot, add your favorite profiler
-&lt;gtbot&gt; Added agenda item &apos;1: your favorite profiler&apos; to the list.
-&lt;chorner&gt; gtbot, add 2.2.0
-&lt;gtbot&gt; Added agenda item &apos;2: 2.2.0&apos; to the list.
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; gtbot, add JMapPane
-&lt;gtbot&gt; Added agenda item &apos;3: JMapPane&apos; to the list.
-&lt;acuster&gt; gtbot, welcome back\!
-&lt;acuster&gt; gtbot, insult
-&lt;acuster&gt; nah, you&apos;re not a real bot yet.
-&lt;simboss&gt; gtbot, subversion
-&lt;simboss&gt; cool
-&lt;simboss&gt; :P
-&lt;acuster&gt; a little light reading: [http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1204432.ece]
-* jdeolive has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
-&lt;acuster&gt; okay, we going to start?
-&lt;acuster&gt; cholmes, chorner ethangio FrankW Jesse_Eichar77 simboss ?
-&lt;cholmes&gt; I&apos;m here.
-&lt;simboss&gt; ready
-* FrankW is reading about Lebanon...
-&lt;FrankW&gt; but I&apos;ll try to pay attention here too.
-&lt;acuster&gt; 1) was andrea&apos;s idea, seems to have got a good reception
-* iant\_ (n=ijturton@69-162-63-113.stcgpa.adelphia.net) has joined #geotools
-&lt;acuster&gt; anyone got something to add?
-&lt;iant_&gt; hi
-&lt;acuster&gt; iant_, just starting on (1)
-&lt;acuster&gt; gtbot, list
-&lt;gtbot&gt; Agenda Items:
-&lt;gtbot&gt; 1: your favorite profiler
-&lt;gtbot&gt; 2: 2.2.0
-&lt;gtbot&gt; 3: JMapPane
-&lt;gtbot&gt; End of agenda items.
-&lt;acuster&gt; okay on to (2) then
-&lt;acuster&gt; we are working on getting jmappane working
-&lt;acuster&gt; the javadocs should be fixed but can only be verified during release
-&lt;acuster&gt; any other showstoppers?
-&lt;acuster&gt; there have been some fixes going in
-&lt;acuster&gt; are they done?
-&lt;acuster&gt; okay, assuming the resounding silence means 2.2.0 is good to release 
-&lt;acuster&gt; when anyone can pull it off.
-&lt;acuster&gt; on to (3)
-&lt;acuster&gt; Jesse_Eichar77, you wanted to say stuff?
-* FrankW shouts out some silence.
-&lt;iant_&gt; ?
-&lt;iant_&gt; ping?
-&lt;acuster&gt; okay, anything else?
-&lt;simboss&gt; Jesse_Eichar77
-&lt;simboss&gt; I have a question guys
-* acuster can pull out the old; ask, don&apos;t ask to ask
-* rgould (n=rgould@S010600014a5e5049.gv.shawcable.net) has joined #geotools
-&lt;rgould&gt; hi
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; meeting with Paul 1 sec
-&lt;acuster&gt; go simboss,
-&lt;simboss&gt; is there any timeline for 2.3?
-&lt;simboss&gt; I might have forgotten sory
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; ok back
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-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; simboss:
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; not that I know
-&lt;simboss&gt; ok
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; I didn&apos;t have too much to say about the JMapPane.  
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; But I understand there are some issues with it?
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; (Just parroting back what Jody told me)
-&lt;acuster&gt; JMapPane has been moved into ext/ on the 2.2 branch
-&lt;simboss&gt; andrea came up with some issues
-&lt;simboss&gt; he sent out an email
-&lt;acuster&gt; as well as some extra fluff
-&lt;simboss&gt; abou ti
-&lt;simboss&gt; it
-* iant\_ (n=ijturton@69-162-63-113.stcgpa.adelphia.net) has joined #geotools
-&lt;acuster&gt; the fluff (filter stuff) will be chopped out
-&lt;iant_&gt; hi again
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; so nobody is maintaining it?
-&lt;acuster&gt; the CRSPicker can&apos;t be made to work trivially so it will be cut
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; welcome back.
-&lt;acuster&gt; which leaves us with a nice lean widget
-&lt;acuster&gt; which is *all* that Geotools should have
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; so who&apos;s doing the cutting?
-&lt;iant_&gt; ping?
-&lt;acuster&gt; hey iant\_
-&lt;acuster&gt; you going to work on JMapPane? Do you have time?
-&lt;iant_&gt; hi - I&apos;m having connection problems
-&lt;iant_&gt; I&apos;ll try to work on it
-&lt;acuster&gt; Jody was doing some cutting
-&lt;iant_&gt; I&apos;m still trying to sort my home network after house move
-&lt;acuster&gt; as far as I&apos;m concerned, it&apos;s good enough to ship
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; ok cool
-&lt;acuster&gt; we don&apos;t really care if it&apos;s full of bugs
-&lt;acuster&gt; since it&apos;s not really part of geotools
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; :D
-&lt;iant_&gt; Feel free to all chip in and I&apos;ll be module maintainer
-&lt;acuster&gt; it exists uniquely as a teaching device for others to start with
-&lt;acuster&gt; and for me to document Geotools
-&lt;iant_&gt; and also as the most requested feature in 2.2.0 since styledmappane was removed :-)
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; ok.  so I missed the bit about 2.2.0
-&lt;acuster&gt; yes, but that would indicate that it were a &quot;feature&quot; and it has ceased to be 
-(acuster&gt; since it is a convinient time to pass the work on to the users)
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; As far as I know it is ready to go out.
-&lt;chorner&gt; *almost*
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; do we have anyone to release it?
-&lt;acuster&gt; gtbot, add javadocs
-&lt;gtbot&gt; Added agenda item &apos;4: javadocs&apos; to the list.
-&lt;chorner&gt; i&apos;m adding a couple fixes in the next couple hours, but it is unlikely it will 
-&lt;chorner&gt; be released before then
-&lt;chorner&gt; also: the 2.2.x build is broken (ext/go)
-&lt;acuster&gt; how?
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-&lt;chorner&gt; [INFO] Compilation failure
-&lt;chorner&gt; c:\java\geotools\2.2.x\ext\go\src\org\geotools\geometry\array\CompressionLevel.java:[112,19] compareTo(java.lang.Object) in org.ge
-&lt;chorner&gt; otools.geometry.array.CompressionLevel cannot override compareTo(java.lang.Object) in org.opengis.util.CodeList; overridden method
-&lt;chorner&gt;  is final
-&lt;acuster&gt; rgould, if no one else beats you to it, will you be able to release after your exams?
-&lt;rgould&gt; acuster, certainly
-&lt;acuster&gt; cool
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; sweet.
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; richard did you add you agenda item?
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; about wfs capabilities?
-&lt;rgould&gt; oh
-&lt;rgould&gt; forgot about that
-&lt;rgould&gt; gtbot, add Specification Purity
-&lt;gtbot&gt; Added agenda item &apos;5: Specification Purity&apos; to the list.
-&lt;acuster&gt; anyone have anything to say on (1) the profiler (2) 2.2.0 or (3) jmappane?
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; Profiler:  I like YourKit
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; done
-&lt;acuster&gt; gtbot, list
-&lt;gtbot&gt; Agenda Items:
-&lt;gtbot&gt; 1: your favorite profiler
-&lt;gtbot&gt; 2: 2.2.0
-&lt;gtbot&gt; 3: JMapPane
-&lt;gtbot&gt; 4: javadocs
-&lt;gtbot&gt; 5: Specification Purity
-&lt;gtbot&gt; End of agenda items.
-&lt;acuster&gt; okay a quick (4)
-&lt;acuster&gt; i&apos;m writing a stupid example app that tries to cover a lot of the code base,
-&lt;acuster&gt; as of now there is one (1)  import from geoapi
-&lt;acuster&gt; when you try to learn geotools by studying geoapi,
-&lt;acuster&gt; you waste a lot of time because it&apos;s not at all clear what is relevant and what is not
-&lt;acuster&gt; Would it be possible, in future releases, to somehow trim down the geoapi released with Geotools
-&lt;acuster&gt; to contain only the relevant modules?
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-&lt;acuster&gt; I don&apos;t expect an answer, but am raising the possibility
-&lt;acuster&gt; Done
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; A good point that
-* cholmes (n=chatzill@dsl027-150-159.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #geotools
-&lt;Jesse_Eichar77&gt; don&apos;t have too much of interest to say about it though.
-&lt;acuster&gt; okay, on to (5)
-&lt;acuster&gt; rgould?
-&lt;rgould&gt; ok
-&lt;rgould&gt; so due to a recent bug issue in uDig, I discovered that the WFS plugin in geotools 
-&lt;rgould&gt; explodes if it encounters a Capabilities document that does not conform to the WFS specification
-&lt;rgould&gt; the problem is that the part that was missing from the document was not essential to use the service
-&lt;rgould&gt; now
-&lt;rgould&gt; a couple years ago, when I was implementing the WMS plugin, James gasped in dismay as
-&lt;rgould&gt; he realized I was permitting servers that did not conform to the WMS specification to be accessed normally
-&lt;rgould&gt; i would like to do the same to WFS
-&lt;rgould&gt; (so we can access these broken servers)
-&lt;FrankW&gt; rgould: \+\+ on permissiveness.
-&lt;rgould&gt; I thought it might be a good idea to come up with a general concensus regarding what 
-&lt;rgould&gt; to do when something breaks specification
-&lt;rgould&gt; It has been a goal of uDig to communicate with every server out there
-&lt;rgould&gt; that&apos;s pretty much all I have to say
-&lt;acuster&gt; can you communicate but raise a big red flag?
-&lt;cholmes&gt; I&apos;m inclined to say that we should shoot some sort of warning when something&apos;s not right.
-&lt;cholmes&gt; yeah, what acuster said.
-&lt;rgould&gt; that should be easy to do
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-&lt;rgould&gt; and then a client like uDig can look at the flag and perhaps display a message to curious users
-&lt;acuster&gt; well, it&apos;s also making user know that it&apos;s not uDig&apos;s problem
-&lt;cholmes&gt; Hopefully even at the udig level - have a red flag that says the user could get in 
-&lt;cholmes&gt; touch with the provider of the service about properly meeting the specification.
-&lt;acuster&gt; or Geotools&apos;
-&lt;rgould&gt; right
-&lt;rgould&gt; heh - OWS services include contact information - uDig could assist in contacting them :-)
-&lt;cholmes&gt; Even better, windows style &apos;send an error report now&apos; - which would send some canned email.
-&lt;rgould&gt; yeah
-&lt;cholmes&gt; Yeah, what rgould said.
-&lt;acuster&gt; yes, that&apos;s exactly the kind of thing that will cover Geotools in the long term
-&lt;acuster&gt; very nice
-&lt;acuster&gt; \+1 for exapansiveness, if accompanied by a nasty note :-)
-&lt;rgould&gt; okay, so unless there are objections, i will make WFS permissive and will add a flag 
-&lt;rgould&gt; to indicate that the server has broken specification (and maybe some messages regarding it to)
-&lt;rgould&gt; hahaha
-&lt;acuster&gt; so we are done: open floor for five minutes and then we can close the meeting
-&lt;acuster&gt; well, that&apos;s not going anywhere.
-&lt;acuster&gt; so we are done. Thanks all
-&lt;rgould&gt; thanks for running the meeting
-&lt;FrankW&gt; later
-&lt;chorner&gt; someone will need to post logs
-&lt;rgould&gt; gtbot, stop
-&lt;gtbot&gt; Logging stopped.
-&lt;gtbot&gt; Posting news to GeoTools confluence...
-&lt;gtbot&gt; Successfully posted.
-&lt;rgould&gt; ;)
-&lt;chorner&gt; i don&apos;t remember anyone pressing start
-&lt;rgould&gt; oh
-&lt;rgould&gt; you are right
-&lt;rgould&gt; it is empty
-</PRE>
-</DIV></DIV>
+<P>Actions:</P>
+<UL class="alternate" type="square">
+	<LI>GSIP#1 voted on, page contains results</LI>
+	<LI>GSIP#2 voted on, page contains results</LI>
+	<LI>FOSS Plans - bother Chris Holems</LI>
+	<LI>instructions for submitting GSIP not following writing guidelines,<BR>
+page modified with a bad email example</LI>
+	<LI>updating Proposal template to make use of actual fields</LI>
+</UL>
+
+
+<P>Questions for next meeting:</P>
+<UL class="alternate" type="square">
+	<LI>revised the pages Chris Holmes added, process was a bit flawed as we<BR>
+needed to hunt down the specific modifications.</LI>
+	<LI>pages modified please review, specifically consider removing the box<BR>
+marked &quot;snap decisions&quot; (a formal process for an informal non tracked <BR>
+decision seems wrong)</LI>
+</UL>
+
+
+<P><SPAN class="error">&#91;9:18:45 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: hey - did the geoserver meeting start yet?<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:19:08 AM&#93;</SPAN> * Jody Garnett added Alessio Fabiani, Gerhard Goosen, Clint Lewis, Rob Atkinson to this chat<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:19:16 AM&#93;</SPAN> * Jody Garnett has changed the chat topic to &quot;GeoServer one week on&quot;<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:20:45 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: okay I am going to finally read over the proposal chris made ...<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:34:37 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: Well so far only Rob is around and he is quiet, a meeting of one ... at least i can stay on agenda.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:35:19 AM&#93;</SPAN> * Jody Garnett has changed the chat topic to &quot;1) GSIP $1 2) GSIP#2 3) FOSS Plans&quot;<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:35:50 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: First of all reviewing: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/0%20Project%20Steering%20Committee" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/0+Project+Steering+Committee<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:36:38 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: one problem is the GEOSDEV space, it is not hooked up so this policy will not be visible. I think we need to hack at the website a bit <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/tongue.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:40:44 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: Okay this is a bit of a pain, cholmes email says he changed something because it was &quot;missing a bit&quot; and to read &quot;closly&quot;...<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:41:08 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: (I can tell he has been at it as there is much larger blocks of text ...)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:42:24 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: Do you see any problems with it?<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:42:38 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: well I am trying to see what has changed ...<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:42:59 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: The When not to use the GSIP looks suspect - aka large block of text with no bullets. Not justins style.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:43:08 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: As a bit of a newbie to PSC land, I&apos;m looking for guidance - practice suporting policy is better than the most beautiful policy<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:43:28 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: I think I will rewrite it to have point form ...<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:44:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: Note he has some more pages to check:<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:44:13 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GeoServer%20Improvement%20Proposals" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GeoServer+Improvement+Proposals<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:44:24 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How%20to%20make%20a%20GeoServer%20Improvement%20Proposal" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How+to+make+a+GeoServer+Improvement+Proposal<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:14 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: Okay ... robA ping?<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:23 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: This part is messing with me - For all decisions that are not official GSIP proposals, those &apos;present&apos; (those in the IRC meeting or who bother to respond to an email within 4 days) are given the power to vote and decide an issue.  The same voting procedures are used, but any vote that meets a -1 from any party present (even a  new user), should go to a GSIP.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:23 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: I dont see a real problem - presumably we can vote to amend things later?<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:25 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio Fa... says: hi all, sorry for the delay<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:41 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: bascially he is trying to say &quot;consensus&quot; (hope I spelled that right)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:51 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: perfick.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:49:53 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: and then tries to let people on the email list vote,<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:50:10 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: but it amounts to a veto - ie any -1 vote demands a GSIP be written.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:50:27 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: I am going to commit - I have moved his words into bullet points so we can make sense of them.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:50:36 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: commit = save the page<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:50:49 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: (I am sorry I did not do this on email list, lets make up for it now)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:50:53 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: yep - but a GSIP can survive a -1.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:51:47 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: So this heading should not be under &quot;when not to use the GSIP&quot;<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:51:59 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: I think maybe the question should be posed - will this affect others (either technical direction or an opportunity to contribute?)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:52:03 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: it should be about when GSIP is needed ... or concensus or something.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:52:15 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: Ah - OK<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:52:28 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: (if you refresh the page you should see the bullet list now under when not to use the GSIP)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:52:45 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: robA I like you phrasing as a Q:<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:53:27 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: See I am happy with &quot;For all decisions that are not official GSIP proposals, those &apos;present&apos; (those in the IRC meeting or who bother to respond to an email within 4 days) are given the power to vote and decide an issue.  The same voting procedures are used, but any vote that meets a -1 from any party present (even a  new user), should go to a GSIP.  &quot;<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:53:34 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: sorry cut and paste failed me:<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:53:53 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: OK - so heading is wrong...<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:53:56 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: I am happy with the first sentence ...<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:54:14 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: I do not need the -1 or 4 days thing.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:54:22 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: I prefer<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:54:25 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: I am happy with consult the development list or raise in an IRC meeting.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:55:31 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: tempted to make a new category of &quot;Snap Decisions&quot;, aka the IRC or vote thing, where -1 makes a GSIP required. But really consulting the community is what we are we want. If there are any questions then a formal proposal is needed.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:55:33 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: &quot;words failing me...&quot;<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:55:44 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: try rob <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:55:51 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: (words do not often fail rob)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:56:23 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio Fa... says: sorry guys, just a question, but the GSIP #1 should be closed, am I wrong?<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:57:18 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: If a proposal has the potential to affect backwards compatibility or the future direction of any core module of the code base the n a GSIP should be issued to allow the community to comment and become involved.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:57:41 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: You are probably right <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/sad.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:57:51 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: we should of done this on email and voted by now, we fail as a PSC <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:58:31 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: (sigh sorry guys I was busy, if you have already voted I am wasting your time)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:58:50 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: highlighted the problem paragraph as &quot;Snap Decisions&quot; and would like it removed.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:58:55 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atkin... says: We need a PSC secretary then - some one to canvas votes and send a deadline reminder, and hold official count.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;9:59:19 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: um, I think the point of those 7 days is the prevent that ... if we fail to vote it is like a 0 or something ...<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:00:10 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Garn... says: here is the other change - Dissolution of PSC at the bottom<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:00:10 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Yeah well, seems like a pretty minimal overhead. I know it would help me.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:00:22 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: TOPP reserves the right to take back active control if the PSC does not work.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:00:32 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I have no problem with this.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:00:55 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Actually, it is based purely on PSC failing to renew numbers..<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:01:19 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: I dont havbe a problem - lets get on with it.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:01:33 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: +1 from me.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:01:59 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: um I have a problem with the snap decision, I would like the next meeting to remove that paragraph, and then I am cool.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:02:08 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: (actually its the rest of the community whose votes should count, and I hear &quot;no object to unamimous consent&quot; )<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:02:17 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I just do not think it is thought out, having a formal process for an informal non tracked decision.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:02:48 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Chris next page is: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How%20to%20make%20a%20GeoServer%20Improvement%20Proposal" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How+to+make+a+GeoServer+Improvement+Proposal<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:03:00 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Yeah - well with the PSC in place, we can then put forward processes...<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:03:32 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Okay this page is &quot;Wrong&quot;, needs an example for the How do I make a GSIP<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:03:53 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: the actual content talks about a bunch of different things ... actually has a Q&amp;A FAQ kind of thing going on ....<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:04:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: want to see this with the example up top, and some Q&amp;A for more details at the bottom....<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:04:26 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (I will hack this up now), RobA can you continue with the meeting.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:04:43 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Note: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GSIP%201%20-%20Project%20Steering%20Committee%20formation" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+1+-+Project+Steering+Committee+formation<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:04:47 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: is what is being voted on.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:05:09 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: And I concur:<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:05:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: +1 jody<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:05:22 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: 2) GSIP#2<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:05:31 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: +1 Alessio<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:05:53 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: both for GSIP #1 and #2<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:05:57 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (has anyone seen votes go out via email, we may have enough to pass the motion)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:06:14 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I would like to think about #2 for a moment ....<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:06:18 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: not for the #1<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:06:48 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Havebnt seen any votes.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:07:03 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: for the code formatting, I would of been happier with specifics - but I understand that the proposal needs to go ahead before this becomes worthwhile.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:07:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: +1 Jody (and looking forward to it)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:07:37 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Presuming voting means - if it works then we will adopt it. We need a tested mechanism to actually adopt it?<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:07:41 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Rob do you have any thoughs on the code formatting proposal?<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:07:48 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: +1 for me on the concept.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:07:56 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Rob, the mechanism is tested, and used in geotools.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:08:06 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: The specifics are apparently sun conventions wrapped at 100 columns.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:08:39 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: (But we cant accept a solution till its been reviewed I guess - same as any GSIP - concur its worthwhile then invest in effort then review then adopt)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:08:48 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: okay this is a quick meeting now that we have people <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:08:56 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: I would like very much a code formatting in GeoServer too, first of all because this will avoid a lot of unsuseful &quot;commits&quot; in SVN <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:09:04 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: good question Rob, I think this is us accepting that a solution be created and implemented.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:09:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: OK - if mechanism is as per geotools, this should be docced..<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:10:10 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: just getting into swing of being a beuracrat.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:13:32 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: oh dear<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:13:45 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: so beuracrat, can you move us on to the last agenda item <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:14:49 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: or I can ...<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:14:54 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: 3) FOSS Plans<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:15:07 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Am still hoping to get there myself - will be leaving Thursday night<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:15:15 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: sorry Jody, another question, how about this XML module proposed by Justin?<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:15:27 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: We had some agenda items last time to figure out FOSS involvement, chris did respond with some details from TOPP. And we found out that no BOF session has been requested etc...<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:15:40 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: There is no proposal, so ....<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:15:41 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: Have you looked at agenda to work out when we&apos;d be live to do demos?<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:15:45 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (oh you mean in geotools)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:16:04 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: ah, ok ... sorry<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:16:18 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: If we have missed our demo spot, I invite geoserver to sneak into the uDig demo, serve up content between the two apps and do editing etc...<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:17:35 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Alessio, it seems the wiki pages actually include space for votes - do you mind updating GSIP#2, and perhaps somebody else can update GSIP#1 in response to the previous agenda items<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:17:36 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: I think it is a good idea<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:17:47 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (getting the hang of the geoserver process will take a couple weeks)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:17:46 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: ok<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:19:50 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: Here we are working hard in order to have a good and stable version of GeoServer + WCS, and we would like very much to have a demo of the WCS too<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:20:16 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: okay, I would like to see a GeoTools Demo table then, and we can show the full stack.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:20:50 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I have requested a uDig demo area, and we can ask Paul if those can be one in the same (but I do not want to crowd his space, as uDig has different demo needs and is focused on end users)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:21:09 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I can man a uDig demo on the geotools table for example and hopefully talk to your WCS <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:22:21 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: yes, it would be great<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:22:58 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I would like to make the request myself, but I am concerned I will not get it done due to being busy, and we are late. I would love to impose on cholmes who seems to have connections <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/wink.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:23:06 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: Can anybody volunteer to see if we can sneak in late?<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:23:55 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (working hard on that how to make a proposals page)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:23:56 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: I&apos;m online<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:24:05 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: so I can do this<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:25:39 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (ask for FOSS BOF / Demo space?)<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:25:46 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: sorry alessio - do what?<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:26:39 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: sorry I understood to ping Chris<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:26:52 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: sure, please ping chris, lets take this to email and sort it out.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:27:00 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: and then I think our meeting is done, thanks everyone.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:27:38 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: k<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:27:47 AM&#93;</SPAN> Rob Atki... says: ciao<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:27:56 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: ciao<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:31:12 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: I will post logs;<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:31:13 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How%20to%20make%20a%20GeoServer%20Improvement%20Proposal" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How+to+make+a+GeoServer+Improvement+Proposal<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:31:18 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: include a bad email example now.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:36:53 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: thanks all<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:36:59 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: emailed logs<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:37:09 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: thanks to you<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:37:28 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: um I cannot spell, I think I need an editor for <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How%20to%20make%20a%20GeoServer%20Improvement%20Proposal" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOSDEV/How+to+make+a+GeoServer+Improvement+Proposal<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:41:41 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: um Alesso are you going to record votes?<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:41:49 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GSIP%201%20-%20Project%20Steering%20Committee%20formation" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+1+-+Project+Steering+Committee+formation<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:41:52 AM&#93;</SPAN> Alessio F... says: yes<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:41:57 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: has a section near the top to record votes ... okay cool.<BR>
+<SPAN class="error">&#91;10:42:01 AM&#93;</SPAN> Jody Gar... says: (was just looking at it now)</P>
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+                                                    <B><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/2006/08/07/IRC%20Meeting%20-%207%20August%202006">IRC Meeting - 7 August 2006 (created)</A></B>
                         
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-            <A href="http://goopen.org/display/GEOS/2006/07/27/Breakout%20Coverage%20Plugin%20IRC%20meeting%207-27-2006">revision 2</A>
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+                            created by <B>    <A href="http://goopen.org/display/~rgould">Richard Gould</A></B>  (<A href="mailto:rgould@refractions.net">rgould@refractions.net</A>)        on Aug 07, 2006 15:16
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-    <P>Summary: simboss drops some knowledge on how to write grid coverage plugins.</P>
-
-<P>(16:32:18) - simboss: (i know I am boring but I might be able to give you some simple solutions)<BR>
-(16:32:22) - simboss: ok<BR>
-(16:32:30) - JonathanWong: no problem<BR>
-(16:32:32) - simboss: what about georeferencing information?<BR>
-(16:32:43) - simboss: do you store them in an header<BR>
-(16:32:46) - simboss: or separately?<BR>
-(16:32:51) - JonathanWong: thats contained in the file<BR>
-(16:32:53) - JonathanWong: as a header<BR>
-(16:33:01) - simboss: cool<BR>
-(16:33:05) - simboss: one last question<BR>
-(16:33:09) - simboss: what about tiling?<BR>
-(16:33:18) - JonathanWong: no<BR>
-(16:33:20) - simboss: did you took that into account?<BR>
-(16:33:28) - simboss: possibility to decimate on reading<BR>
-(16:33:40) - simboss: decimation=subsampling<BR>
-(16:33:49) - simboss: ?<BR>
-(16:34:29) - JonathanWong: no, you have to stream to the value you want<BR>
-(16:34:33) - JonathanWong: well i think its like that<BR>
-(16:34:50) - JonathanWong: i didnt develop the library to access the data in the file<BR>
-(16:35:01) - JonathanWong: i only a few details of the files make-up<BR>
-(16:35:13) - simboss: ok<BR>
-(16:35:19) - simboss: I am asking all these questions<BR>
-(16:35:22) - simboss: about the format itself<BR>
-(16:35:32) - simboss: since inside ImageIO there already the capability<BR>
-(16:35:36) - simboss: to read natively<BR>
-(16:35:43) - simboss: binary files<BR>
-(16:35:51) - simboss: I am using that inside the GTOPO30 plugin<BR>
-(16:36:00) - simboss: and it is simple fantastic <BR>
-(16:36:04) - simboss: very very fast<BR>
-(16:36:09) - simboss: support tiling<BR>
-(16:36:11) - simboss: and decimation<BR>
-(16:36:21) - JonathanWong: its not binary file with just data in it, the file kinda represents a file system<BR>
-(16:36:33) - simboss: yeah<BR>
-(16:36:39) - simboss: and plus we have an header<BR>
-(16:36:41) - JonathanWong: at the start of the file is header information<BR>
-(16:36:49) - simboss: hence no easy ImageIO solution <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-(16:37:04) - JonathanWong: then there are record headers giving information to each grid (a grid is a record)<BR>
-(16:37:15) - JonathanWong: then follows the grid data<BR>
-(16:37:24) - simboss: I see...<BR>
-(16:37:30) - JonathanWong: a bit like a FAT<BR>
-(16:37:32) - simboss: much like a grib file<BR>
-(16:37:45) - simboss: a file made up of multiple records<BR>
-(16:37:47) - simboss: ok<BR>
-(16:37:53) - simboss: I think I got it<BR>
-(16:38:10) - simboss: how much time do you have to spend on this?<BR>
-(16:38:14) - JonathanWong: i&apos;m not similiar with gribs make up, but i know they are quite different<BR>
-(16:38:30) - JonathanWong: im guessing about 1week<BR>
-(16:38:31) - simboss: I mean<BR>
-(16:38:41) - simboss: do you need something very very quickly<BR>
-(16:38:48) - simboss: ok<BR>
-(16:38:53) - simboss: that is quickly <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-(16:39:12) - JonathanWong: spending about 8 hours a day on it.<BR>
-(16:39:40) - simboss: ok<BR>
-(16:39:50) - simboss: here is the issues<BR>
-(16:39:53) - simboss: up to now<BR>
-(16:39:58) - simboss: the geoserver is built for managing<BR>
-(16:40:02) - simboss: 2d grids<BR>
-(16:40:26) - JonathanWong: I&apos;ve already got geoserver to find my new file format. after extending the gridcoverage classes in geotools<BR>
-(16:40:39) - simboss: while your file will have multiple coverages in it<BR>
-(16:40:48) - simboss: (that&apos;s great man)<BR>
-(16:41:03) - simboss: up to now geoserver would only use the first one<BR>
-(16:41:11) - JonathanWong: ok<BR>
-(16:41:15) - simboss: changing this would not be too difficult<BR>
-(16:41:33) - simboss: and it is something we should do next week <BR>
-(16:41:40) - simboss: on purpose for grib files<BR>
-(16:42:02) - simboss: (remove should, add will since it is a customer requirement)<BR>
-(16:42:32) - simboss: If you need something quick and not too dirty<BR>
-(16:42:35) - simboss: I am pretty sure<BR>
-(16:42:42) - JonathanWong: you don&apos;t have to go that far for me...lol<BR>
-(16:42:45) - simboss: that in a week or at most 10 days<BR>
-(16:42:58) - simboss: we should get you there<BR>
-(16:43:38) - simboss: do not worry this help me focus on the path<BR>
-(16:43:44) - simboss: I have too many other things to do <BR>
-(16:43:48) - simboss: at the same time<BR>
-(16:43:50) - simboss: deadlines<BR>
-(16:43:51) - JonathanWong: ok<BR>
-(16:44:00) - simboss: make sharp<BR>
-(16:44:02) - simboss: <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-(16:44:21) - JonathanWong: do you know of any documentation for creating new coverage plugins to support new file formats<BR>
-(16:44:30) - simboss: neve had time<BR>
-(16:44:34) - simboss: to write some<BR>
-(16:44:35) - simboss: <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-(16:44:58) - simboss: tell me where you are right now <BR>
-(16:45:03) - simboss: and what you already did<BR>
-(16:45:41) - JonathanWong: after a lot of searching, I realised I had to implement four interfaces<BR>
-(16:45:42) - JonathanWong: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Developing%20GridCoverage%20Formats" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Developing+GridCoverage+Formats<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-(16:46:19) - JonathanWong: i&apos;ve almost done that expect the read and write methods.<BR>
-(16:46:40) - JonathanWong: i wrapped it in a jar and stuck it in the lib/ folder<BR>
-(16:46:47) - simboss: cool<BR>
-(16:47:17) - JonathanWong: restarted geoserver and went to Config-&gt;Data-&gt;CoveragePlugins in the web admin and my file format showed up<BR>
-(16:47:40) - simboss: k<BR>
-(16:47:55) - simboss: this means that your factory is fine<BR>
-(16:48:00) - JonathanWong: I tried to add a file of my format as a coverage store, but couldn&apos;t do it because I hadn&apos;t implemented the read method<BR>
-(16:48:27) - JonathanWong: so at the moment I&apos;ll be doing that.<BR>
-(16:49:19) - JonathanWong: I was wondering if there was any doc to help me a bit, none of the api doc for GeoTools is filled. I only know the methods I have to implement, not what they mean or suppose to do exactly<BR>
-(16:49:41) - simboss: sorry about that <BR>
-(16:49:56) - simboss: but the best documentation availaible is<BR>
-(16:50:06) - simboss: lokking at the other plugin<BR>
-(16:50:38) - simboss: would it be a problem for you to share your code?<BR>
-(16:50:49) - simboss: so that I can take a look and give some help?<BR>
-(16:51:44) - JonathanWong: it shouldn&apos;t be. I&apos;d have to find out from my supervisor, but I don&apos;t think it will. I don&apos;t have the code on me at the moment, it&apos;s on a machine at work<BR>
-(16:52:49) - simboss: ok<BR>
-(16:52:54) - simboss: tomorrow<BR>
-(16:53:05) - simboss: I will be working<BR>
-(16:53:08) - simboss: on geoserver <BR>
-(16:53:13) - simboss: during the afternoon<BR>
-(16:53:25) - simboss: find out if you can share the code<BR>
-(16:53:28) - simboss: even temporarly<BR>
-(16:53:32) - JonathanWong: what country are you located?<BR>
-(16:53:36) - simboss: italy<BR>
-(16:53:43) - JonathanWong: I&apos;m in the uk<BR>
-(16:53:45) - simboss: and i will try to help you out on this<BR>
-(16:53:52) - JonathanWong: thank you<BR>
-(16:53:53) - simboss: I guessed that from the email<BR>
-(16:53:56) - simboss: .uk<BR>
-(16:53:58) - simboss: <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-(16:54:24) - simboss: I am smart even if I do not look like smart :-*<BR>
-(16:54:29) - simboss: <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-(16:54:32) - simboss: ok<BR>
-(16:54:38) - JonathanWong: no probs<BR>
-(16:54:49) - simboss: find out if you can share the code<BR>
-(16:54:51) - simboss: if so <BR>
-(16:55:00) - simboss: we will find  some space <BR>
-(16:55:07) - JonathanWong: cool<BR>
-(16:55:08) - simboss: on an svn repository<BR>
-(16:55:23) - simboss: and in the end will put it on geotools if you want<BR>
-(16:55:51) - JonathanWong: We are trying to use a lot of open source software so I don&apos;t think it will be a problem<BR>
-(16:56:08) - simboss: fair enough<BR>
-(16:56:24) - simboss: sfarber<BR>
-(16:56:34) - sfarber: hi there!<BR>
-(16:56:45) - simboss: what were you saying about the arcsde rasters?<BR>
-(16:57:15) - sfarber: I&apos;m in a similar position to Jonathan.  i&apos;d like to implement a coverage plugin for Arcsde stored rasters.<BR>
-(16:57:37) - sfarber: Generally 3-banded, but possibly 4-banded.<BR>
-(16:58:00) - sfarber: In the end, I think I&apos;ll be following a lot of the other coverage plugins...and probably emailing you guys a lot.<BR>
-(16:58:16) - simboss: never played with them<BR>
-(16:58:25) - sfarber: Yeah, me neither.  Here&apos;s the javadocs:<BR>
-(16:58:26) - simboss: 3 or 4 band is no big deal<BR>
-(16:59:37) - sfarber: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://edndoc.esri.com/ardsde/9.1/" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://edndoc.esri.com/ardsde/9.1/<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-(16:59:56) - sfarber: and, of course:<BR>
-(17:00:13) - sfarber: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://edndoc.esri.com/arcsde/9.1/java_api/docs/index.html" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://edndoc.esri.com/arcsde/9.1/java_api/docs/index.html<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-(17:01:25) - sfarber: Any idea of whether the SLD for rasters is supported by the geotools SLD renderer?<BR>
-(17:01:38) - simboss: I am checking the link...<BR>
-(17:02:49) - simboss: It seems quite cool<BR>
-(17:02:55) - simboss: not the easiest thing to do <BR>
-(17:02:57) - simboss: but quite cool<BR>
-(17:03:02) - simboss: it has tiling<BR>
-(17:04:01) - simboss: it has color map <BR>
-(17:04:05) - sfarber: How is tiling going to work for me?  I sort-of figured I&apos;d get a geographic extent, and then just ask the raster band for the data inside that extent.  What does tiling give me?<BR>
-(17:04:25) - sfarber: Let me ask the above question slightly differently.<BR>
-(17:05:24) - sfarber: What does the GridCoverageReader return?  Is the plugin expected to return a BufferedImage (or similar), or does it simply return the raw data and let a central raster-renderer handle the translation fromdata to image?<BR>
-(17:06:38) - simboss: ok<BR>
-(17:06:50) - simboss: How much do you know about JAI and ImageIO?<BR>
-(17:07:39) - sfarber: I&apos;ve used ImageIO.read(), and I at one point used JAI to composite an 8-bit indexed PNG onto another 24-bit channeled PNG.<BR>
-(17:08:00) - simboss: ok<BR>
-(17:08:07) - simboss: here it is the full explanation<BR>
-(17:08:23) - simboss: (maybe we should this hence I do not think I have never explained this)<BR>
-(17:08:29) - simboss: the back end of a  grid coverage<BR>
-(17:08:34) - simboss: is a panarimage<BR>
-(17:08:40) - sfarber: Sure.<BR>
-(17:08:40) - simboss: planarimage<BR>
-(17:09:12) - simboss: <SPAN class="nobr"><A href="http://java.sun.com/products/java-media/jai/forDevelopers/jai-apidocs/javax/media/jai/PlanarImage.html" title="Visit page outside Confluence" rel="nofollow">http://java.sun.com/products/java-media/jai/forDevelopers/jai-apidocs/javax/media/jai/PlanarImage.html<SUP><IMG class="rendericon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="0" width="0" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"></SUP></A></SPAN><BR>
-(17:09:17) - simboss: if you look at it<BR>
-(17:09:24) - simboss: you will se that is an abstract class<BR>
-(17:09:35) - simboss: implementing RenderedImage<BR>
-(17:09:38) - simboss: plus ImageJAI<BR>
-(17:09:47) - simboss: so it is compatible with both<BR>
-(17:09:50) - sfarber: yep.<BR>
-(17:09:52) - simboss: Java2D and JAI<BR>
-(17:10:02) - sfarber: Ahh.<BR>
-(17:10:05) - simboss: it has all the basic method for tiling<BR>
-(17:10:13) - simboss: tile caching<BR>
-(17:10:23) - simboss: converting to bufferedimage<BR>
-(17:11:10) - simboss: it has the base concepts for building processing chains<BR>
-(17:11:30) - simboss: basically directed acyclic graphs of image processing operations<BR>
-(17:11:47) - simboss: it has the capability to use tile scheduling<BR>
-(17:11:52) - simboss: to cut it short<BR>
-(17:11:58) - sfarber: So I need to implement &apos;getRaster(tilex, tiley)&apos; in a class extending PlanarImage, mapping that tile x/y onton my back-end data source.<BR>
-(17:12:02) - simboss: it is the base block for robust raster management<BR>
-(17:12:15) - simboss: (I am getting there <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"> )<BR>
-(17:12:25) - simboss: ok<BR>
-(17:12:25) - sfarber: cool, I&apos;ll be more patient.<BR>
-(17:12:30) - simboss: but planarimage is abstract<BR>
-(17:12:33) - simboss: so you need<BR>
-(17:12:37) - simboss: specializations<BR>
-(17:12:45) - simboss: think about the nodes of the chains <BR>
-(17:12:54) - simboss: we talked about at the beginnng<BR>
-(17:13:04) - simboss: usually the very first one<BR>
-(17:13:11) - simboss: is connected to a data source<BR>
-(17:13:16) - simboss: that can be both on disk<BR>
-(17:13:20) - simboss: on memory<BR>
-(17:13:22) - simboss: or in a db<BR>
-(17:13:27) - simboss: our case <BR>
-(17:13:35) - simboss: db or disk is quite the same<BR>
-(17:13:56) - simboss: raeding a raster into a planar image subclass<BR>
-(17:14:01) - simboss: is an operation<BR>
-(17:14:06) - simboss: maybe the simplest <BR>
-(17:14:09) - simboss: but it is an operation<BR>
-(17:14:13) - simboss: and there is an operator<BR>
-(17:14:15) - simboss: for doing so<BR>
-(17:15:09) - simboss: called ImageReadOpImage<BR>
-(17:15:11) - simboss: if I am right<BR>
-(17:16:02) - simboss: yeah<BR>
-(17:16:10) - simboss: ImageReadOpImage<BR>
-(17:16:29) - simboss: that basically extends some subclasses of PlanarImage<BR>
-(17:16:32) - simboss: to provide you<BR>
-(17:16:35) - simboss: with a planar image<BR>
-(17:16:37) - JonathanWong: thanks for your help simboss, im off and i&apos;ll see about that code, as i said, it shoudn&apos;t be a problem<BR>
-(17:16:45) - simboss: that is backed by<BR>
-(17:16:50) - simboss: (coolman, take care)<BR>
-(17:16:58) - simboss: a file on some storage<BR>
-(17:17:05) - JonathanWong left the room (quit: ).<BR>
-(17:17:09) - simboss: you still there saul ?<BR>
-(17:17:25) - simboss: I am afraid I made you fell asleep<BR>
-(17:17:27) - simboss: <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-(17:17:45) - sfarber: nope, not asleep!<BR>
-(17:17:52) - sfarber: trying to find javadocs for ImageReadOpImage<BR>
-(17:17:53) - simboss: ok<BR>
-(17:18:01) - simboss: you won&apos;t find<BR>
-(17:18:11) - simboss: youhave to download imageio code<BR>
-(17:18:11) - sfarber: yeah, discovering that.<BR>
-(17:18:17) - cholmes: when you guys finish could you post this log?  Just post it in the news as a breakout irc, and then you probably want to link from the WCS documentation, as there&apos;s valuable stuff here for anyone wanting to implement.<BR>
-(17:18:28) - sfarber: Will do chris.<BR>
-(17:18:36) - cholmes: And it sounds like we&apos;re going to have people wanting to implement more readers <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-(17:18:45) - simboss: hopefully<BR>
-(17:18:47) - simboss: <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-(17:18:52) - simboss: ok<BR>
-(17:18:56) - simboss: we reached the point<BR>
-(17:19:05) - simboss: that the node of the chain<BR>
-(17:19:12) - simboss: to do Input<BR>
-(17:19:16) - simboss: is ImageReadOpImage<BR>
-(17:19:25) - simboss: but how can you impement new readers?<BR>
-(17:19:56) - simboss: ( I should charge for this <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"> )<BR>
-(17:20:12) - simboss: not surprisingly you need to write <BR>
-(17:20:16) - simboss: and ImageIO plugin<BR>
-(17:20:28) - simboss: subclassing ImageReader class<BR>
-(17:20:42) - simboss: there you will have to implement the logic to load tiles<BR>
-(17:20:46) - simboss: and do subsetting<BR>
-(17:20:48) - simboss: decimation<BR>
-(17:20:52) - simboss: and whatever you want<BR>
-(17:20:56) - simboss: and you will get for free<BR>
-(17:21:00) - simboss: -tile caching<BR>
-(17:21:04) - simboss: -ile recycling<BR>
-(17:21:21) - simboss: -multithreaded tile schedulin<BR>
-(17:21:35) - simboss: -i/o control framework<BR>
-(17:21:50) - simboss: -extensible read and write param<BR>
-(17:21:54) - simboss: and last but not least<BR>
-(17:22:03) - simboss: extensible streams for doing i/o<BR>
-(17:22:08) - simboss: so<BR>
-(17:22:09) - simboss: in the end<BR>
-(17:22:12) - simboss: the key<BR>
-(17:22:13) - simboss: is<BR>
-(17:22:20) - simboss: writing plugins for the ImageIO lib<BR>
-(17:22:31) - simboss: which is not a trivual task by itself<BR>
-(17:22:42) - simboss: but I have been doing this for months<BR>
-(17:22:46) - simboss: and I can tell you <BR>
-(17:22:50) - simboss: that it is way cool<BR>
-(17:22:53) - simboss: next week<BR>
-(17:23:00) - simboss: I shoudl release<BR>
-(17:23:05) - simboss: the new asciigrid plugin<BR>
-(17:23:16) - simboss: a friend of mine implemented it as a univ project<BR>
-(17:23:18) - simboss: I tok it<BR>
-(17:23:21) - simboss: and improve<BR>
-(17:23:38) - simboss: it is able to read asscci grids of 200 mb <BR>
-(17:23:43) - simboss: very very fast<BR>
-(17:23:51) - simboss: and also put them<BR>
-(17:24:04) - simboss: behind an ImageReadOpImage<BR>
-(17:24:25) - simboss: One last annotation<BR>
-(17:24:37) - simboss: You will not find javadoc of ImageReadOpImage<BR>
-(17:24:38) - simboss: because<BR>
-(17:24:43) - simboss: you are not supposed to see it<BR>
-(17:24:51) - simboss: this is an architectural thing of JAI-ImageIO<BR>
-(17:24:59) - sfarber: yeah,.<BR>
-(17:25:04) - simboss: you play with nodes that are called RenderedOp<BR>
-(17:25:14) - simboss: (or RenderableOp but this another story)<BR>
-(17:25:27) - simboss: and they basically wrap things <BR>
-(17:25:33) - simboss: like ImagereadOpImage<BR>
-(17:25:45) - simboss: or FilteredSubsampleOp<BR>
-(17:25:50) - simboss: or the like<BR>
-(17:25:57) - simboss: to provide a unique interface<BR>
-(17:26:02) - simboss: between processing nodes<BR>
-(17:26:08) - simboss: If I had time<BR>
-(17:26:14) - simboss: I should write some articles on this<BR>
-(17:26:31) - simboss: I am realizing that it would be cool since there is no documentaion around<BR>
-(17:26:33) - simboss: done!!!<BR>
-(17:26:41) - sfarber: cool!<BR>
-(17:26:47) - simboss: now you can wake up <IMG class="emoticon" src="http://goopen.org/images/icons/emoticons/smile.gif" height="20" width="20" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"><BR>
-(17:27:06) - simboss: I hope it helped a bit<BR>
-(17:28:22) - sfarber: Indeed.  I&apos;ll probably have some specific questions when I get around to writing classes, but for now that&apos;s awesome.  Thanks!<BR>
-(17:28:46) - simboss: cool man<BR>
-(17:29:05) - simboss: about the raster symbolizer<BR>
-(17:29:14) - simboss: Alessio and me<BR>
-(17:29:19) - simboss: did dome initial wor<BR>
-(17:29:21) - simboss: work<BR>
-(17:29:22) - sfarber: I&apos;ll post this chat, and then we can distill it down to a guide when we get the chance.<BR>
-(17:29:24) - simboss: to get ti work again<BR>
-(17:29:42) - simboss: but still a lot of work needs to be done<BR>
-(17:29:47) - simboss: when martin will be back<BR>
-(17:29:48) - sfarber: So there&apos;s an &quot;old&quot; version that&apos;s kind of busted?<BR>
-(17:29:54) - simboss: I will discuss this with him<BR>
-(17:30:02) - sfarber: excellent.<BR>
-(17:30:04) - simboss: right now<BR>
-(17:30:14) - simboss: it does min/max scale<BR>
-(17:30:22) - simboss: plus some palette trasnformation<BR>
-(17:30:29) - simboss: I will put an example<BR>
-(17:30:33) - simboss: inside the geoserver next week<BR>
-(17:30:42) - sfarber: cool.</P>
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-                <TR><TD valign="top" class="diffnav" width="1%"><A name="change0"></A>&nbsp;</TD><TD valign="top" class="diffnav" width="1%">&nbsp;<TD class="diffadded">Summary: simboss drops some knowledge on how to write grid coverage plugins.</TD></TR>
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-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:32:18) - simboss: (i know I am boring but I might be able to give you some simple solutions)</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:32:22) - simboss: ok</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:32:30) - JonathanWong: no problem</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:32:32) - simboss: what about georeferencing information?</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:32:43) - simboss: do you store them in an header</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:32:46) - simboss: or separately?</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:32:51) - JonathanWong: thats contained in the file</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:32:53) - JonathanWong: as a header</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:33:01) - simboss: cool</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:33:05) - simboss: one last question</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:33:09) - simboss: what about tiling?</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:33:18) - JonathanWong: no</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:33:20) - simboss: did you took that into account?</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:33:28) - simboss: possibility to decimate on reading</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:33:40) - simboss: decimation=subsampling</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:33:49) - simboss: ?</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:34:29) - JonathanWong: no, you have to stream to the value you want</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:34:33) - JonathanWong: well i think its like that</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:34:50) - JonathanWong: i didnt develop the library to access the data in the file</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:35:01) - JonathanWong: i only a few details of the files make-up</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:35:13) - simboss: ok</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:35:19) - simboss: I am asking all these questions</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:35:22) - simboss: about the format itself</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:35:32) - simboss: since inside ImageIO there already the capability</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:35:36) - simboss: to read natively</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:35:43) - simboss: binary files</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:35:51) - simboss: I am using that inside the GTOPO30 plugin</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:36:00) - simboss: and it is simple fantastic </TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:36:04) - simboss: very very fast</TD></TR>
-<TR><TD colspan="2" class="diffnav">&nbsp;</TD><TD class="diffnochange">(16:36:09) - simboss: support tiling</TD></TR>

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