accumulo-dev mailing list archives

Site index · List index
Message view « Date » · « Thread »
Top « Date » · « Thread »
From Josh Elser <josh.el...@gmail.com>
Subject RE: [VOTE] Plan for next release
Date Mon, 22 Aug 2016 22:49:26 GMT
(sorry posting from phone)

I missed the run jdk7 artifacts on jdk8 comment: I am not concerned about
this case (Oracle worries about it for me). I am worried about jdk8
features being introduced in this hypothetical 2.0 which preclude users
from using jdk7 (for a primary reason of "I wanna us new shiny APIs!"
without concrete justification).

Christopher has so previously shared his concerns with me about obtaining
jdk7 packages from the internet. I do not think these are valid concerns to
present as justification for the change.

On Aug 22, 2016 18:35, "Josh Elser" <josh.elser@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2.0 is not released, so there is no burden.
>
> Why do we need to maintain 1.6 or 1.7 as active? Why not eol and provide
> actual testing and migration strategies to actually *deal* with the
> maintenance burden instead of pushing it onto the users?
>
> I would counter your question about tagging but not releasing with "why
> not fix the packaging issues from rc2 and just make the release?"
>
> With the amount of chatter on this vote thread, I am also now worried that
> calling this vote was premature. These are discussions that should have
> been hashed out already..
>
> On Aug 22, 2016 18:23, <dlmarion@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I share your concerns and have proposed releasing a 1.8.0 as-is, followed
> by a 2.0 with much the same artifacts plus Java 8 source. In talking with
> Christopher about this though, that means that the community would be
> supporting 1.6 (until 1.6.6 is released), 1.7.x, 1.8.x, and 2.0.x. Being on
> update 102, Java 8 seems pretty stable. Plus, you can run your Java 7
> binaries with the Java 8 JRE.
>
> Having said that, is there a reason that we can't tag 1.8.0 but not
> release it and let other downstream providers create their own supported
> release?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: josh.elser@gmail.com [mailto:josh.elser@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> > Josh Elser
> > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 6:17 PM
> > To: dev@accumulo.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Plan for next release
> >
> > Mike Wall asked if I could expand. I realized that my objections were
> > probably only in IRC with Christopher and didn't get cross-posted. I had
> > thought that they were already present in the discussion thread.
> >
> > 1. 1.8.0 is practically released already as-is. I spent a good chunk of
> the last
> > week babysitting tests. This change feels no different than someone shoe-
> > horning in a big feature at the last minute.
> >
> > 2. I think this is a slap in the face to anyone that was waiting on a
> 1.8.0 to be
> > released as slap in the face. The release that was about to happen now
> has
> > an even longer cycle.
> >
> > 3. Assuming that min jdk 8 also implies use of jdk 8 only features (as
> was
> > mentioned), my experience with customer bases is that people are not yet
> > there. Often, these groups do have migration plans in place, but I
> haven't
> > seen one that has a quicker than one year turnaround. I cannot back any
> of
> > this up with fact, it is merely observations from my day job.
> >
> > I do not find the provided reasons to make this last minute change
> > justification enough to do it. I am very much against it.
> >
> > On Aug 22, 2016 17:58, "Josh Elser" <elserj@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > -1
> > >
> > > On Aug 22, 2016 17:22, "Christopher" <ctubbsii@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> After our lengthy (sorry for that) discussions about Java 8, 1.8.0,
> > >> and 2.0.0, I wanted to bring us to a vote, just so we can have a
> > >> concrete plan of action, without any ambiguity or uncertainty. A vote
> > >> is the best option available for resolving differences of opinion
> > >> about our upcoming release plans.
> > >>
> > >> The action to vote on is the following:
> > >>
> > >>     (+1): Drop 1.8 branch, stabilize the master branch, and release
> > >> 2.0.0 from master
> > >>
> > >> If the vote fails to pass, the default action (which is implied by a
> > >> -1) is the following:
> > >>
> > >>     (-1): Release 1.8.0, supporting a 1.8.x release series; 2.0.0 and
> > >> the master branch will be addressed at some unspecified future time
> > >>
> > >> This is a majority vote regarding release plans, so we can make
> > >> progress on a reasonable release timeline. Specific changes in a
> > >> branch can still be veto'd while we work towards the release, as
> > >> normal, regardless of the outcome of this vote.
> > >>
> > >> Here's some main points to consider for this vote:
> > >>
> > >> * Everything in the 1.8 branch is included in the Master branch.
> > >> * Master branch requires Java 8.
> > >> * Releasing from master will allow us to work from master again for
> > >> routine development, instead of reserving master for unstable
> > >> development (which is how it currently has been treated).
> > >> * Master branch aggressively removes deprecated stuffs; I'm actively
> > >> working on reverting these in master regardless of the vote, because
> > >> they introduced some destabilization.
> > >> * The one deprecation removal which I intend to keep in Master is the
> > >> removal of the trace library (not the tracer server, which will
> > >> stay). We don't need the trace library, because we now use HTrace. If
> > >> people need the deprecated HTrace wrappers for their own code in that
> > >> trace library, they should still be able to use the wrappers in the
> > >> 1.7 version of accumulo-trace. They won't need it for Accumulo,
> > >> though, because Accumulo doesn't use it, not even in the 1.7 branch.
> > >> This would be added to the release notes if this vote passes.
> > >> * After reverting the deprecation removals, the master branch is
> > >> *very* similar to the 1.8 branch right now. It contains only a few
> > >> extra commits, mostly for Java 8-related cleanups and README
> > >> improvements. (git log origin/1.8..origin/master --no-merges
> > >> --oneline)
> > >> * If this vote passes, it will be 100%, or nearly 100%,
> > >> backwards-compatible with 1.7.x, just as 1.8 branch is today. This is
> > >> because there haven't been much changes in the master branch which
> > >> aren't coming from merges from 1.8. This will mean that the entire
> > >> 2.x line will be just as backwards-compatible as this next release
> > >> and there will be no significant deprecation removals from [1.7.0,
> 3.0).
> > >>
> > >> This vote will end on Thu Aug 25 21:30:00 UTC 2016 (Thu Aug 25
> > >> 17:30:00 EDT 2016 / Thu Aug 25 14:30:00 PDT 2016)
> > >>
> > >
>
>
>

Mime
  • Unnamed multipart/alternative (inline, None, 0 bytes)
View raw message