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From Christopher <ctubb...@apache.org>
Subject Re: On the future of our commons-vfs2 dynamic classloading implementation
Date Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:51:15 GMT
I think one of the prior problems was JIRA karma and GPG keys (SVN commit
access), but I can't recall. Hopefully you can get those barriers knocked
out in short order.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016, 14:52 Josh Elser <josh.elser@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Dave.
>
> For those not following along on dev@commons.a.o -- I do not see any
> roadblocks which would completely negate my ability to act as release
> manager. I believe history can show us that the community there is not
> capable of making a release of commons-vfs (as it's been 4+ years). As
> such, I volunteered to be an RM for 2.1. I'm waiting on an ACK from
> them, but I don't anticipate any negative feedback.
>
> dlmarion@comcast.net wrote:
> > Josh,
> >
> > I see that you have made progress. Let me know how I can help get this
> released.
> >
> > Dave
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: "Josh Elser"<josh.elser@gmail.com>
> > To: dev@accumulo.apache.org
> > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:57:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: On the future of our commons-vfs2 dynamic classloading
> implementation
> >
> > Alright, I'll suck it up and start the conversation yet again.
> >
> > At least that will remove me from any future guilt ;)
> >
> > dlmarion@comcast.net wrote:
> >> My email from Dec 2015 was sent as a last ditch effort before we fork.
> I don't remember receiving a response to it. I may have worn out my welcome
> in that community as I have been outspoken on the lack of movement. It
> might be useful for someone else to try once more, and if not, then we fork
> VFS, remove all of the things we don't need, and make it better.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: "Josh Elser"<josh.elser@gmail.com>
> >> To: dev@accumulo.apache.org
> >> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 1:02:08 PM
> >> Subject: Re: On the future of our commons-vfs2 dynamic classloading
> implementation
> >>
> >> Thanks Dave. I know you've spent a bit of time trying to push them in
> >> the right direction.
> >>
> >> I don't have a lot of familiarity with how the commons-* actually work.
> >> I am more than happy to address any issues of pick-and-choose engagement
> >> by commons-* folks at the ASF level if you have more info to back this
> >> up. I trust Benson to raise the issue to the right group if there is
> >> something inherently wrong.
> >>
> >> Based on your emails, it seems like there have been discussions having a
> >> release for 2+ years, but no discernible progress (despite your offers
> >> to help with the process).
> >>
> >> Being the one who has been making the most effort on this front, what do
> >> you feel is the best course of action to unblock us?
> >>
> >> dlmarion@comcast.net wrote:
> >>> I feel your pain and am very frustrated by the lack of support from
> the Commons team. I have brought up the subject multiple times[1,2,3] and
> have even volunteered to do the release. FWIW, I am using the features of
> the new classloader in production with little issue (using the 2.1 snapshot
> code). A few months ago I discussed this with Christopher and the topic of
> forking did come up. Also note that Benson just went through the release
> process for Commons IO and it was not pain free. Apparently they are
> willing to work with some people and not others.
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> http://markmail.org/message/4iczynn2tqbtwdhd?q=VFS+2.1+release+list:org.apache.commons.dev/+from:%22dlmarion%40comcast.net%22&page=1
> >>> [2]
> http://markmail.org/search/?q=VFS%202.1%20release%20list%3Aorg.apache.commons.dev%2F#query:VFS%202.1%20release%20list%3Aorg.apache.commons.dev%2F%20from%3A%22dlmarion%40comcast.net%22+page:1+mid:zkjkgvpsrh4blvtj+state:results
> >>> [3]
> http://markmail.org/message/ojgizsfevkjjl6jv?q=VFS+2.1+release+list:org.apache.commons.dev/+from:%22dlmarion%40comcast.net%22&page=1
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: "Mike Drob"<mdrob@apache.org>
> >>> To: dev@accumulo.apache.org
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:37:25 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: On the future of our commons-vfs2 dynamic classloading
> implementation
> >>>
> >>> Have we asked them about making a release?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Josh Elser<josh.elser@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I was trying to test out Dylan's patch this weekend and was met with
a
> >>>> repeated failure of another VFS unit test due to the same race
> condition
> >>>> we've been fighting against for years.
> >>>>
> >>>> A cursory glance to vfs' website show still shows that they haven't
> made
> >>>> the 2.1 release which supposedly fixes this issue. In other words,
> they
> >>>> have no made a release since 2011.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm now under the assumption that we cannot rely on them to make a
> >>>> release. As such, if the community wishes to continue to support this
> >>>> feature, something needs to happen before 1.8.0 -- fork vfs,
> use/build some
> >>>> other library for this functionality, or remove the
> dynamic-classloader
> >>>> functionality from Accumulo completely.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've tried to be very patient waiting for this to happen, but I'm
> rather
> >>>> frustrated having wasted significant time over the past years (not
> even
> >>>> exaggerating which is even crazier) working around known broken code
> that
> >>>> is unusable by users.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>> - Josh
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
>

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