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From Keith Turner <ke...@deenlo.com>
Subject Re: Growing project involvement
Date Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:47:02 GMT
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Joe Stein <joe.stein@stealth.ly> wrote:

> I have had a lot of feedback in the market place on Accumulo. This feedback
> was 100% from folks that didn't have Accumulo as a requirement to run and
> feel that it is very relevant to broader adoption. All of the below
> comments are a combination of my own opinions and what I have heard from
> others in the market in discussion about Accumulo.
>
> 1) Iterators are awesome from a software architecture perspective. From a
> development perspective if you have worked with them you have an experience
> or two to share on how to improve them. Anything that can be done to
> improve this experience for developers will be welcomed for new and
> existing users.
>
> 2) Lots of little cosmetic surface things in lots of places and attentions
> to details. e.g. https://github.com/apache/accumulo the branch is not the
> latest and even the latest branch (master?) README isn't really welcoming
> or appealing from a "my first time visiting the project" perspective. For
>

This is all really good feedback, thanks.   I am going to take a wack at
improving the README today or tomorrow and put it up for review.  I am
going to look at improving the content and converting to markdown so that
it looks good in github.


> new users you only get 1 impression for a first impression, this is
> important under the "technical marketing umbrella".  Some Vagrant and/or
> Docker will make getting up and running quickly fantastic for folks that
> have to (or want to) interact with Accumulo.
>

> 3) The project should/could have more out of the box integrations and
> support from the core project release cycles. e.g. Accumulo Framework for
> Apache Mesos. I don't think the drive for this (Mesos support) is lacking
> but having spoken to other Accumulo users there is no clear path how folks
> can help to make this happen. The eco system just isn't big enough for
> these type of projects to exist successfully outside the core project on
> some github url.
>
> 4) Some eco system page or place where "all things accumulo" can be sought
> after... planet accumulo, something like that (no reason to reinvent this
> wheel).  This is probably a combined issue of lack of aggregatable things
> (which we should try to improve) and the ability to have them seen in one
> place.  One of the coolest things I have seen Accumulo release since
> following the project has been
> https://blogs.apache.org/accumulo/entry/scaling_accumulo_with_multi_volume
> but haven't seen anything else since this posting. Is it that the
> information isn't bubbling up or that people aren't posting more about cool
> things in place? Are people even using it?
>
> 5) Not; just; Java; please; => how about more Scala (maybe Iterator
> examples) and/or Go with some ProtoBuf interface? from an implementation
> perspective Java; just; kills; things; in; their; tracks; ! and Thrift has
> a way to-do that too...
>
> 6) Operations is almost an opaque box. Getting something up and running for
> development is important but so is pushing it into production and
> sustaining it at scale. The more information about how this is done and
> where things work and do not work will be a  *HUGE* driver for the
> community (IMHO). Again, maybe all this stuff is out there and #4 is really
> how to solve this for folks to not spend their nights and weekends
> googling.
>
> 7) Apache Spark support. While arguably this goes under #3 I think it has
> to be called out as another (better?) option for MapReduce. It is really
> easy to get Spark to use AccumuloInputFormat which is wonderful and a
> fantastic opportunity for making Accumulo shine with Spark. A few samples
> people can run with Spark and Accumulo together that do something more than
> word count will go a long way to attracting an audience too.
>
> 8) More ways to highlight the work loads that Accumulo was built for and
> what it does now and how it is not about website or social or ads is
> important to organizations in verticals that care differently about their
> data.
>
> 9) Better call out features and highlight them with more examples
> explicitly. I might be repeating myself at this point but wanted to bring
> up "Tracing" as another good example of a REALLY cool feature that folks
> when they see it don't entirely understand what/how todo with it. Google
> for "accumulo trace" or even going through the documentation it is
> impossible to figure out how to use it and make it work without late nights
> and tender loving care.
>
> None of these things are easy and are very demanding for open source
> projects and communities. I think this is a great discussion and hope to
> continue to contribute moving forward.
>
> /*******************************************
>  Joe Stein
>  Founder, Principal Consultant
>  Big Data Open Source Security LLC
>  http://www.stealth.ly
>  Twitter: @allthingshadoop <http://www.twitter.com/allthingshadoop>
> ********************************************/
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Keith Turner <keith@deenlo.com> wrote:
>
> > I think a minimal getting started guide is needed on the web site.
> > Something that will take a user from download to running on a cluster in
> as
> > few steps as possible.  This info is buried in the README, but there is
> too
> > much other stuff in the readme.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Josh Elser <josh.elser@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I meant to send this out closer to the new year (to ride on the new
> year
> > > resolution stereotype), but I slacked. Forgive me.
> > >
> > > As should be aware by those paying attention, we have had very little
> > > growth within the project over the past 6-9 months. We've had our
> normal
> > > spattering of contributions, a few from some repeat people, but I don't
> > > think we've grown as much as we could.
> > >
> > > I wanted to see if anyone has any suggestions on what we could try to
> do
> > > better in the coming year to help more people get involved with the
> > > project. I don't want this to turn into a "we do X wrong" discussion,
> so
> > > please try to stay positive and include suggestion(s) for every problem
> > > presented when possible.
> > >
> > > Also, everyone should feel welcome to participate in the discussion
> here.
> > > If you fall into the "bucket" described, I'd love to hear from you. If
> > > anyone doesn't want to publicly respond, please feel free to email me
> > > privately and I'll anonymously post to the list on your behalf.
> > >
> > > Some ideas to start off discussion:
> > >
> > > * Help reduce barrier to entry for new developers
> > >   - Ensure imple/easy-to-process instructions for getting and building
> > > code in common environments
> > >   - Instructions on running tests and reporting issues
> > >
> > > * More high-level examples
> > >   - Maybe we start too deep in distributed-systems land and we scare
> away
> > > devs who think they "don't know enough to help"
> > >   - Recording "newbie" tickets and providing adequate information for
> > > anyone to come along and try to take it on
> > >   - Encourage/help/promote "concrete" ideas/code in the project.
> > Something
> > > that is more tangible for devs to wrap their head around (also can help
> > > with adoption from new users)
> > >
> > > * Better documentation and "marketing"
> > >   - We do "ok" with the occasional blog post, and the user manual is
> > > usually thorough, but we can obviously do better.
> > >   - Can we create more "literature" to encourage more users and devs to
> > > get involved, trying to lower the barrier to entry?
> > >
> > > Thanks all.
> > >
> >
>

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