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From: Mike Drob <mdrob@apache.org>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 10:25:30 -0600
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Subject: Re: Contribute Examples/Exercises
To: Accumulo Dev List <dev@accumulo.apache.org>
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On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Keith Turner <keith@deenlo.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Corey Nolet <cjnolet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Josh,
> >
> > > My worry with a contrib module is that, historically, code which goes
> > moves to a contrib is just one step away from the grave.
> >
> > You do have a good point. My hope was that this could be the beginning of
> > our changing history so that we could begin to encourage the community to
> > contribute their own source directly and give them an outlet for doing
> so.
> > I understand that's also the intent of hosting open source repos under
> ASF
> > to begin with- so I'm partial to either outcome.
> >
> > > I think there's precedence for keeping them in core (as Christopher had
> > mentioned, next to examples/simple) which would benefit people externally
> > (more "how do I do X" examples) and internally (keep devs honest about
> how
> > our APIs are implemented).
> >
> > I would think that would just require keeping the repos up to date as
> > versions change so they wouldn't get out of date and possibly releasing
> > them w/ our other releases.
> >
> >
> > Wherever they end up living, thank you Adam for the contributions!
> >
>
> I'll 2nd that.
>
> For the following reasons, I think it might be nice to move existing
> examples out of core into their own git repo(s).
>
>  * Examples would be based on released version of Accumulo
>  * Examples could easily be built w/o building all of Accumulo
>  * As Sean said, this would keep us honest
>  * The examples poms would serve as examples more than they do when part of
> Accumulo build
>  * Less likely to use non public APIs in examples
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Josh Elser <josh.elser@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > My worry with a contrib module is that, historically, code which goes
> > > moves to a contrib is just one step away from the grave. I think
> there's
> > > precedence for keeping them in core (as Christopher had mentioned, next
> > to
> > > examples/simple) which would benefit people externally (more "how do I
> do
> > > X" examples) and internally (keep devs honest about how our APIs are
> > > implemented).
> > >
> > > Bringing the examples into the core also encourages us to grow the
> > > community which has been stagnant with respect to new committers for
> > about
> > > 9 months now.
> > >
> > >
> > > Corey Nolet wrote:
> > >
> > >> +1 for adding the examples to contrib.
> > >>
> > >> I was, myself, reading over this email wondering how a set of 11
> > separate
> > >> examples on the use of Accumulo would fit into the core codebase-
> > >> especially as more are contributed over tinme. I like the idea of
> giving
> > >> community members an outlet for contributing examples that they've
> built
> > >> so
> > >> that we can continue to foster that without having to fit them in the
> > core
> > >> codebase. It just seems more maintainable.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Josh Elser<josh.elser@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  I'll take that as you disagree with my consideration of
> "substantial".
> > >>> Thanks.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike Drob wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  The proposed contribution is a collection of 11 examples. It's
> clearly
> > >>>> non-trivial, which is probably enough to be considered "substantial"
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Josh Elser<josh.elser@gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Sean Busbey wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>   On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Josh Elser<
> josh.elser@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>    Personally, I didn't really think that this contribution was in
> > the
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  spirit
> > >>>>>>> of what the new codebase adoption guidelines were meant to cover.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Some extra examples which leverage what Accumulo already does
> seems
> > >>>>>>> more
> > >>>>>>> like improvements for new Accumulo users than anything else.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>    It's content developed out side of the project list. That's
> all
> > it
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  takes to
> > >>>>>> require the trip through the Incubator checks as far as the ASF
> > >>>>>> guidelines
> > >>>>>> are concerned.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>    From http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> """
> > >>>>>   From time to time, an external codebase is brought into the ASF
> > that
> > >>>>> is
> > >>>>> not a separate incubating project but still represents a
> substantial
> > >>>>> contribution that was not developed within the ASF's source control
> > >>>>> system
> > >>>>> and on our public mailing lists.
> > >>>>> """
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Not to look a gift-horse in the mouth (it is great work), but I
> don't
> > >>>>> see
> > >>>>> these examples as "substantial". I haven't found guidelines yet
> that
> > >>>>> better
> > >>>>> clarify the definition of "substantial".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
>

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