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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 16:03:54 -0400
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accumulo Bylaws, vote 2
From: Christopher <ctubbsii@apache.org>
To: Accumulo Dev List <dev@accumulo.apache.org>
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Unfortunately, I think I'm going to have to change my vote to a -1,
based on the point that John just brought up.

After some thought, I'm not sure it makes sense for people to be bound
by operating rules they did not agree to, especially for the initial
adoption. I think consensus approval makes more sense for modifying
the bylaws (and for the initial adoption of those bylaws) than does
majority approval.

--
Christopher L Tubbs II
http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:32 PM, John Vines <vines@apache.org> wrote:
> I'm also wondering if modifying bylaws, for now and in the future, should
> be consensus approval. Why is that scaled down to Majority?
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:13 PM, John Vines <jvines@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> -1
>>
>> There is still no clarity on code change actions, which I think need to be
>> resolved before it should pass. It seems to be ambiguous, intentionally,
>> with the intent to revise later. If that's the case, it should just be
>> removed until a more definitive guideline can be put in place. Or just
>> point at an existing CTR guideline.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Bill Havanki <bhavanki@clouderagovt.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Reminder to all: the bylaw vote ends at 10 AM EDT / 7 AM PDT tomorrow
>>> morning. Majority approval is required.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Mike Drob <madrob@cloudera.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > +1
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 6:26 AM, Eric Newton <eric.newton@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > +1
>>> > >
>>> > > Thank you all for working through something that makes me want to go
>>> back
>>> > > to reading gigabytes of debug logs.
>>> > >
>>> > > -Eric
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Billie Rinaldi <billie@apache.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Hey everyone!  We only have 3 more days to vote on Accumulo's bylaws
>>> > ...
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 6:55 AM, Bill Havanki <
>>> > bhavanki@clouderagovt.com
>>> > > > >wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Please vote on the proposed bylaws, as available at
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > *
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/accumulo/site/trunk/content/bylaws.mdtext?revision=1582476&view=markup
>>> > > > > <
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/accumulo/site/trunk/content/bylaws.mdtext?revision=1582476&view=markup
>>> > > > > >*
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > A nicer-to-read version is available at
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > http://accumulo.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > This vote will be open for 7 days, until 4 April 2014 14:00 UTC.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Upon successful completion of this vote, the first line of the
>>> > document
>>> > > > > body
>>> > > > > will be replaced with "This is version 1 of the bylaws," and the
>>> > > > statement
>>> > > > > defining the document as a draft will be stricken. Additionally, a
>>> > link
>>> > > > to
>>> > > > > the document will be added to the navigation menu.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > This vote requires majority approval to pass: at least 3 +1 votes
>>> and
>>> > > > more
>>> > > > > +1
>>> > > > > than -1's.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > [ ] +1 - "I approve of these proposed bylaws and accept them for
>>> the
>>> > > > > Apache Accumulo
>>> > > > > project."
>>> > > > > [ ] +0 - "I neither approve nor disapprove of these proposed
>>> bylaws,
>>> > > but
>>> > > > > accept them for the Apache Accumulo project."
>>> > > > > [ ] -1 - "I do not approve of these proposed bylaws and do not
>>> accept
>>> > > > them
>>> > > > > for
>>> > > > > the Apache Accumulo project because..."
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Thank you.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > --
>>> > > > > // Bill Havanki
>>> > > > > // Solutions Architect, Cloudera Govt Solutions
>>> > > > > // 443.686.9283
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> // Bill Havanki
>>> // Solutions Architect, Cloudera Govt Solutions
>>> // 443.686.9283
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> ~John
>>