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From: Bill Havanki <bhavanki@clouderagovt.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 12:04:43 -0400
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accumulo Bylaws - Action changes
To: Accumulo Dev List <dev@accumulo.apache.org>, vines <vines@apache.org>
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That's a reasonable argument, and I won't argue with you on it.


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:56 AM, John Vines <vines@apache.org> wrote:

> The current line is unacceptable. It can also be implied that every single
> code change needs to be up for review before it can be committed. It had
> been contested in the last vote with no clarity on what it meant, leaving
> others questioning whether it should not be there.
>
> Yet, in spite of that, it was implored that we should pass the bylaws
> anyway and then amend after the fact. Given the turn around on bylaw
> changes and the time it would take to sort this matter out, I decided it's
> best to take out this potentially malicious line from our bylaws until
> something a more sound can be put in place.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Bill Havanki <bhavanki@clouderagovt.com
> >wrote:
>
> > -1
> >
> > Removing the line with no substitute is unacceptable. It can be implied
> > that code changes are not subject to review and/or community approval,
> > without the alluded-to commit and review standard in place. I doubt any
> > Apache project's bylaws omit the line (checked: Hadoop, HBase, Hive,
> > ZooKeeper, Pig).
> >
> > It's better to work the commit and review policy, and then update the
> line
> > accordingly.
> >
> > Also, the rule has also been in place for less than two hours. Really. It
> > hasn't even proven to be a problem yet. This drama is unbecoming to our
> > community.
> >
> > Bill H
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Christopher <ctubbsii@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christopher L Tubbs II
> > > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Josh Elser <josh.elser@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > Minor correction, the bylaws currently state "version 0" so it should
> > be
> > > > replaced with "version 1".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/4/14, 11:04 AM, John Vines wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> This is a proposal to strike the code change action from the bylaws.
> > > This
> > > >> is being requested because there is substantial ambiguity about the
> > > >> standards being declared / whether this should be part of our bylaws
> > > and,
> > > >> until these are clarified, should be removed.
> > > >>
> > > >> Specifically, it is the following line which shall be removed
> > > >>
> > > >> Code Change A change made to a codebase of the project. This
> includes
> > > >> source code, documentation, website content, etc.Lazy approval,
> moving
> > > to
> > > >> consensus approval upon vetoActive committers1
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> The current bylaws are visibile at
> > > >>
> > > >> http://accumulo.apache.org/bylaws.html
> > > >>
> > > >> This vote will be open for 7 days, until 11 April 2014, 15:10 UTC.
> > > >>
> > > >> Upon successful completion of this vote, the first line of the
> > document
> > > >> body
> > > >> will be replaced with "This is version 2 of the bylaws," and the
> > > >> aforementioned line will be removed.
> > > >>
> > > >> This vote requires majority approval to pass: at least 3 +1 votes
> and
> > > more
> > > >> +1
> > > >> than -1's.
> > > >>
> > > >> [ ] +1 - "I approve of these proposed bylaw changes and accept them
> > > >> for the Apache
> > > >> Accumulo project."
> > > >> [ ] +0 - "I neither approve nor disapprove of these proposed bylaw
> > > >> changes,
> > > >> but accept them for the Apache Accumulo project."
> > > >> [ ] -1 - "I do not approve of these proposed bylaw changes and do
> not
> > > >> accept them for the Apache Accumulo project because..."
> > > >>
> > > >> Thank you.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > // Bill Havanki
> > // Solutions Architect, Cloudera Govt Solutions
> > // 443.686.9283
> >
>


-- 
// Bill Havanki
// Solutions Architect, Cloudera Govt Solutions
// 443.686.9283

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