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From Christopher <ctubb...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Drop RPM/DEB packaging from maven build
Date Tue, 01 Apr 2014 21:10:03 GMT
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-2606

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Christopher L Tubbs II
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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Christopher <ctubbsii@apache.org> wrote:
> Okay, so it sounds like there's a pretty big backing to rip this out.
> I'll create a JIRA and remove them from the main build. I'll probably
> set up a repo on github to maintain a SPEC file for building RPMs from
> the binary tarball, for now. We can consider incorporating them as a
> contrib project later.
>
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> Christopher L Tubbs II
> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Alex Moundalexis <alexm@clouderagovt.com> wrote:
>> +1 g (non-binding)
>>
>> consolidated packaging efforts are usually far better than one-off
>> attempts, plus it'll clean up the repo a little bit
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Christopher <ctubbsii@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> RPM/DEB building in Maven is currently quite convoluted. There's some
>>> question as to whether we should even be performing this task or
>>> whether we should defer to downstream maintainers for system
>>> packaging. Whether or not we continue supporting RPM/DEB binary
>>> packages or if we defer that to downstream maintainers, we should
>>> probably not maintain them within the main maven build. Here's some
>>> reasons why:
>>>
>>> 1) The maven complexity is enormous, and every change to the binary
>>> tarball packaging requires an equivalent change in at least two more
>>> places: the RPM build config, and DEB build config.
>>>
>>> 2) The RPMs and DEBs have different packaging conventions, because
>>> their target systems have different packaging conventions. It's not
>>> easy to discern whether these differences are bugs or intended in the
>>> current scheme.
>>>
>>> 3) The breakage of the RPMs/DEBs should not block a release. They can
>>> be packaged after an official release, to correspond to the target
>>> systems. Changes to packaging should also not require a bump in the
>>> version of Accumulo itself.
>>>
>>> 4) The current scheme does not allow for source packages (deb sources
>>> and SRPMs) for rebuilding.
>>>
>>> 5) I don't know DEBs, and do not have the expertise necessary to
>>> maintain their packaging. Whoever knows DEBs probably does not know
>>> RPMs. Maintenance of these logically make more sense as contribs,
>>> maintained by their respective downstream maintainers.
>>>
>>> 6) DEBs may require packaging different init scripts for modern
>>> systems (upstart-compatible scripts for Ubuntu, systemd scripts for
>>> Fedora/RHEL7, or SysV init scripts for RHEL6). Convergence in our
>>> build is not possible, and would introduce even more complexity.
>>>
>>> There are many possible downstream maintainers: Apache BigTop, Linux
>>> distribution-specific maintainers, Homebrew formula maintainer for
>>> Mac, etc. We should make it easy for them to build their packages, but
>>> we should probably not be in the business of trying to create them in
>>> our build directly. It may be the case that supporting these different
>>> systems will still involve package maintainers who are also upstream
>>> developers... and that's fine. We could even create contrib repos for
>>> maintaining those things, but they should be separate from the
>>> upstream build.
>>>
>>> Currently, I believe the DEBs are broken... but I don't know exactly
>>> how, and don't know enough about DEB packaging to fix them (I could
>>> learn, but not without possibly delaying the 1.6.0 release). So, the
>>> question is, should we (select all that are appropriate):
>>>
>>> a) Fix before 1.6.0 is released.
>>> b) Release 1.6.0 and fix later.
>>> c) Include RPMs/DEBs in 1.6.0 release.
>>> d) Build packages within the main build.
>>> e) Create contrib repos for RPM/DEB packaging.
>>> f) Create contrib branches for RPM/DEB packaging.
>>> g) Strip them out and defer to whatever downstream maintainers decide to
>>> do.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher L Tubbs II
>>> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex Moundalexis
>> Solutions Architect
>> Cloudera Government Solutions

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