accumulo-dev mailing list archives

Site index · List index
Message view « Date » · « Thread »
Top « Date » · « Thread »
From John Vines <vi...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Accumulo Bylaws - Bylaw Change Changes
Date Fri, 04 Apr 2014 17:19:10 GMT
So, I pseudo got an explanation for the second point in the CtR discussion,
so I'm going to withdraw that comment. However, I would still appreciate an
explanation for initial paragraph.


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:32 PM, John Vines <vines@apache.org> wrote:

> The majority of the reasoning I read in the bylaws thread justifying why
> bylaw changes should be majority and not consensus seemed to spiral around
> "We don't want someone to be able to torpedo the vote". Can someone who
> held this opinion clarify why this is unacceptable for a bylaw change but
> acceptable for adopting a new code base, a new committer, a new pmc member,
> or a new pmc chair? Primarily I was looking at these compared to bylaw
> changes when I made decided that bylaws should have the same level of
> approval. I feel that having these items as consensus by bylaws as majority
> seems inconsistent.
>
> Furthermore, by having the bylaw changes at a lower level of agreement, it
> provides a work around for a bare minimum majority to change the bylaws to
> allow these actions to occur with said bare minimum majority.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Sean Busbey <busbey+lists@cloudera.com>wrote:
>
>> -1
>>
>> I don't think there's been sufficient discussion on this. Also, I agree
>> with Mike back in the previous thread. The norm is for Apache to use
>> Majority Vote for procedural changes and I'd prefer we follow suite. I
>> have
>> faith that our community can build consensus in a reasonable amount of
>> time, but sometimes you just need to take a reckoning and move on.
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Bill Havanki <bhavanki@clouderagovt.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > -1
>> >
>> > My opinion on this is overly well known.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Corey Nolet <cjnolet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > +1
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Christopher <ctubbsii@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > +1
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Christopher L Tubbs II
>> > > > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:33 AM, David Medinets
>> > > > <david.medinets@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > +1
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:21 AM, John Vines <vines@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> This is a proposal to change the Bylaw Change action in the
>> bylaws
>> > > from
>> > > > >> Majority Approval to Consensus Approval. This is being requested
>> > > because
>> > > > >> Bylaw changes are a major change to the project and all
>> discussion
>> > > > should
>> > > > >> be able to be had without  a borderline majority being able
to
>> force
>> > > > things
>> > > > >> through.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Specifically, it is the following line which shall be changed
>> > > > >> Modifying BylawsModifying this document.Majority approvalActive
>> PMC
>> > > > >> members7
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Modifying BylawsModifying this document.Consensus approvalActive
>> PMC
>> > > > >> members
>> > > > >> 7
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> The current bylaws are visible at
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> http://accumulo.apache.org/bylaws.html
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> This vote will be open for 7 days, until 11 April 2014, 15:20
>> UTC.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Upon successful completion of this vote, the first line of
the
>> > > document
>> > > > >> body
>> > > > >> will be replaced with "This is version 2 of the bylaws,"
( or
>> "This
>> > is
>> > > > >> version 3 of the bylaws," if the vote to change Code Changes
>> passes)
>> > > and
>> > > > >> the aforementioned line will be changed from Majority Approval
to
>> > > > Consensus
>> > > > >> Approval.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> This vote requires majority approval to pass: at least 3
+1 votes
>> > and
>> > > > more
>> > > > >> +1
>> > > > >> than -1's.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> [ ] +1 - "I approve of these proposed bylaw changes and accept
>> them
>> > > for
>> > > > >> the Apache Accumulo project."
>> > > > >> [ ] +0 - "I neither approve nor disapprove of these proposed
>> bylaw
>> > > > changes,
>> > > > >> but accept them for the Apache Accumulo project."
>> > > > >> [ ] -1 - "I do not approve of these proposed bylaw changes
and do
>> > not
>> > > > >> accept them for the Apache Accumulo project because..."
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Thank you.
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > // Bill Havanki
>> > // Solutions Architect, Cloudera Govt Solutions
>> > // 443.686.9283
>> >
>>
>
>

Mime
  • Unnamed multipart/alternative (inline, None, 0 bytes)
View raw message