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From Mike Drob <mad...@cloudera.com>
Subject Re: Bylaw edits based on first vote discussion
Date Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:51:16 GMT
I was under the impression that the list was both compulsory and
exhaustive, and if we need to add/remove actions later then we can bring up
a vote on it.


On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Sean Busbey <busbey+lists@cloudera.com>wrote:

> nit: can we move it to governance/bylaws.html?
>
> I update the blurb after the voting actions list to make clear that the
> list isn't exhaustive (which I think Christopher had brought up
> previously).
>
> I also published the current staged changes.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Bill Havanki <bhavanki@clouderagovt.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I took one more pass through the bylaws. Besides fixing a typo and
> adding a
> > missing comma, the only change I made was to add a "New PMC Chair" voting
> > action. This was already defined in the PMC section as requiring
> consensus
> > approval, so I just added a row to the voting action table for it. I set
> > the minimum vote period to 3 days, matching the new committer and new PMC
> > member actions. A longer period would also be fine IMO.
> >
> > [Site publishing isn't working for me, but you can see the changes in CMS
> > or at the staging URL: http://accumulo.staging.apache.org/bylaws.html]
> >
> > I'll tentatively plan to call a vote on Thursday. Thanks, everyone!
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Sean Busbey <busbey+lists@cloudera.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Excellent. Thank you Christopher!
> > >
> > > -Sean
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Christopher <ctubbsii@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sean-
> > > >
> > > > I took care of it; used the neutral "their".
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Christopher L Tubbs II
> > > > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Sean Busbey <
> > busbey+lists@cloudera.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I was going rewrite it to use singular they instead of the current
> > > > > combination of "his/her" and "his or her". But I haven't found time
> > to
> > > do
> > > > > it yet.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Bill Havanki <
> > > bhavanki@clouderagovt.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I removed the reinstatement voting actions, as discussed earlier
> in
> > > this
> > > > >> thread. The actions are now purely "New Committer" and "New PMC
> > > Member".
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think a diff between the votes is a great idea, easy to do
with
> > svn.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Any other feedback or issues with the proposed bylaws?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Mike Drob <madrob@cloudera.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I think at this point, any willing person can make edits.
I do
> not
> > > > expect
> > > > >> > we will suffer from too many cooks.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > For the next vote, it would be a good idea to include a
diff to
> > the
> > > > first
> > > > >> > vote.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Sean Busbey <
> > > > busbey+lists@cloudera.com
> > > > >> > >wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > How are we handling proposed changes? Just post a new
version?
> > > Email
> > > > >> > > description and then some coordinating editor (Bill
H?)
> handles
> > > > >> > > implementation?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Bill Havanki <
> > > > >> bhavanki@clouderagovt.com
> > > > >> > > >wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > I think you are right about the reinstatement
actions.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > - If a committer cannot lose status, she cannot
be denied
> > > getting
> > > > the
> > > > >> > > > commit bit back / her password reset after going
idle /
> > > emeritus.
> > > > So,
> > > > >> > no
> > > > >> > > > vote is warranted.
> > > > >> > > > - An emeritus PMC member can simply declare that
she is back
> > via
> > > > >> email
> > > > >> > > (the
> > > > >> > > > bylaws even say so right now).
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Christopher <
> > > ctubbsii@apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for doing this.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > I'm still not sure it makes sense to have
"reinstatement"
> > even
> > > > on
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > > > > list of voting actions, given that removal
is not a
> possible
> > > > thing,
> > > > >> > > > > but everything else looks good.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > I'm more comfortable with the release plan
being in the
> > > initial
> > > > >> > > > > bylaws, now that we've discussed what that
means, so I'm
> > glad
> > > > you
> > > > >> > > > > included that stuff.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > --
> > > > >> > > > > Christopher L Tubbs II
> > > > >> > > > > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Bill Havanki
<
> > > > >> > > bhavanki@clouderagovt.com
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > I have updated our proposed bylaws to
account for
> feedback
> > > > that
> > > > >> > arose
> > > > >> > > > > from
> > > > >> > > > > > the first vote. Here is the link:
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > http://accumulo.apache.org/bylaws.html
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > The following is a summary of my updates.
There was a
> lot
> > of
> > > > >> > > > (excellent)
> > > > >> > > > > > discussion, so please do point out unintentional
> > omissions,
> > > > >> > > > > > misinterpretations, or errors that are
somewhat likely
> to
> > be
> > > > >> there.
> > > > >> > > :)
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > - Fixed punctuation errors and typos
noticed by
> > Christopher.
> > > > >> > > > > > - Voting action changes:
> > > > >> > > > > >   - Noted that new actions may be added
as needed to the
> > > list
> > > > >> > > > > >   - Changed the release plan action
to lazy consensus,
> > > falling
> > > > >> back
> > > > >> > > to
> > > > >> > > > > > majority approval)
> > > > >> > > > > >   - Added release plan cancellation
(re-plan) action,
> > > majority
> > > > >> > > approval
> > > > >> > > > > >   - Clarified difference between release
plan and
> product
> > > > release
> > > > >> > > > actions
> > > > >> > > > > >   - Defined "codebase" using Mike's
definition
> > > > >> > > > > >   - Noted that committer and PMC removal
actions are
> > > > >> intentionally
> > > > >> > > not
> > > > >> > > > > > defined, with references
> > > > >> > > > > > - Added release manager role section
> > > > >> > > > > > - Added release plan section, with content
definition
> > based
> > > on
> > > > >> > Mike's
> > > > >> > > > > list
> > > > >> > > > > >   - Noted specifically that dates in
release plans are
> > > > estimates
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > I punted on laying out release guidelines,
as we have a
> > page
> > > > for
> > > > >> > > those
> > > > >> > > > > [1]
> > > > >> > > > > > that I could defer to.
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > I also punted on version numbering,
just for now. As
> with
> > > > other
> > > > >> > > > issues, I
> > > > >> > > > > > can certainly see that as a worthwhile
later addition.
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > Thank you in advance for reviewing.
I'm hopeful that we
> > can
> > > > call
> > > > >> a
> > > > >> > > > second
> > > > >> > > > > > vote by next week.
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > [1]
> http://accumulo.apache.org/governance/releasing.html
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > --
> > > > >> > > > > > // Bill Havanki
> > > > >> > > > > > // Solutions Architect, Cloudera Govt
Solutions
> > > > >> > > > > > // 443.686.9283
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > --
> > > > >> > > > // Bill Havanki
> > > > >> > > > // Solutions Architect, Cloudera Govt Solutions
> > > > >> > > > // 443.686.9283
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> // Bill Havanki
> > > > >> // Solutions Architect, Cloudera Govt Solutions
> > > > >> // 443.686.9283
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > // Bill Havanki
> > // Solutions Architect, Cloudera Govt Solutions
> > // 443.686.9283
> >
>

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