Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-accumulo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-accumulo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D53B1010C for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:16:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 70110 invoked by uid 500); 19 Feb 2014 21:16:12 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-accumulo-dev-archive@accumulo.apache.org Received: (qmail 69989 invoked by uid 500); 19 Feb 2014 21:16:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@accumulo.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@accumulo.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@accumulo.apache.org Received: (qmail 69981 invoked by uid 99); 19 Feb 2014 21:16:11 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:16:11 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of josh.elser@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.41 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.220.41] (HELO mail-pa0-f41.google.com) (209.85.220.41) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:16:05 +0000 Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fa1so938951pad.28 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:15:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yVD8rA2xafpfrVUHEvhkNx5iEHzqb8uAAix5asVLMZs=; b=dM6gXvD+qJB//Tulan7aRKVuI78CUWJeF4UCGVKLOetPL9kxctFVT/1YNDpaWbiUVo jb8EfiA9Q0C46MpdXi1VaiU8VvW+Nk0PpvPcKufRikCHwHqEWFmYLQv2ZZDx5iwGBGb0 EqqX1qnnyAucGp8+D3oewS3qYG5p2cpYic991JGZhZ8brT7oiBqt99jVY9ooONtwPU72 K/CcB+tj0a8lrrWB+HYDrZjhV0TdMf0Dyl38KvPc8GMM4mJad1q2o3VHOdu9zicjV2EC wG4nZ9PIkcd+Y+Blq0l6Vbm7Z4gygPU8AEpdSCT5DsXKHXIv/Jtg9qgTnEcadEgZOWeU Xxnw== X-Received: by 10.69.2.2 with SMTP id bk2mr4703025pbd.75.1392844545070; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from HW10447.local ([192.175.27.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yd4sm3750188pbc.13.2014.02.19.13.15.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:15:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <53051EFF.5000007@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:15:43 -0800 From: Josh Elser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@accumulo.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] 1.5.1-RC2 References: <52FC08B4.8030609@gmail.com> <52FE55DE.1010701@gmail.com> <53000385.30906@gmail.com> <53050E2F.8000407@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 2/19/14, 12:53 PM, Keith Turner wrote: >> I said it in the other email chain, but we have*no* firm guidelines on >> >what should be present in that CHANGES file. I think this is the >> >fundamental problem here. The expectations of each individual can't be >> >managed because we don't have a consensus on what should actually exist in >> >that file. >> > > We do have the 1.4 release notes which serve as a defacto standard. No one > has raised a good reason to differ from 1.4 in this case. We certainly can > not take everyones personal preference into account. However I think the > information loss in the release notes is more of an objective concern than > something like the formatting of the file. My point was is that we had nothing in writing that serves as what should be done. Every release has its holes of things we want to fix (now or later) -- my point is only that this is something that this is ambiguous presently due to not being explicitly documented. We should be taking personal preference into account by way of lazy consensus. I do not believe everyone is in agreement given that I have made now 3 variants of a 1.5.1 CHANGES file in cutting RCs. I'll start another thread because I do not want another release candidate to be tanked over this.