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From John Vines <vi...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Accumulo Bylaws
Date Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:40:42 GMT
Because it should be hard to remove someone but easy to bring them back.


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 4:36 PM, <dlmarion@comcast.net> wrote:

> " I do think it's in our interest to keep the committership and PMC
> membership mostly active. For example, having many inactive committers
> brings a higher risk of a compromised committer account causing trouble."
>
> +1
>
> Do we know which committers have not committed a change in 6 months?
>
> I see that " Commit access can be revoked by a unanimous vote of all the
> active PMC members", but re-instatement is by lazy concensus. Why are they
> different?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Havanki [mailto:bhavanki@clouderagovt.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:39 AM
> To: dev@accumulo.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accumulo Bylaws
>
> My comments and minor edits are in the doc, I'll bring up bigger issues on
> this list.
>
> Re emeritus status for committers: I'd like it not to constitute an
> automatic "kicking you off the island" action. For example, I wouldn't want
> to close off commit access on day 181. It can be a time when we
> automatically check on the level of involvement an emeritus / emerita
> wishes
> to keep. I'm fine with softening the bylaw verbiage in that regard.
>
> I do think it's in our interest to keep the committership and PMC
> membership
> mostly active. For example, having many inactive committers brings a higher
> risk of a compromised committer account causing trouble.
> Also, it'd be hard collecting a 2/3 majority of PMC members when many are
> not paying any attention.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Joey Echeverria
> <joey+ml@clouderagovt.com>wrote:
>
> > "Emeritus" is not an official ASF designation. As far as the ASF is
> > concerned, you're either a Committer, a PMC member, or both, or not at
> all.
> >
> > The reason other projects use the emeritus designation is to avoid
> > overstating active involvement. An "emeritus" member does not lose any
> > privileges as far as ASF is concerned. If you want to remove
> > privileges, I believe that the PMC has to vote to that effect.
> >
> > -Joey
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Sean Busbey
> > <busbey+lists@cloudera.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > If people have substantive questions (as opposed to requests for
> > > edits / clarification), I'd rather they be here on the list.
> > >
> > > My main issue is the automatic transition to emeritus status for
> > committers
> > > / PMCs at 6 months. That's a significant change. Do we know what the
> > > current impact of that would be?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Bill Havanki
> > > <bhavanki@clouderagovt.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have some minor edits and some questions about it, which I'll
> > > > add as comments in the doc. I also agree that a weather allowance
> > > > is a good
> > > idea.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Mike Drob <madrob@cloudera.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks for putting it in a Google Doc, Arshak!
> > > > >
> > > > > What issues do y'all see with this document in it's current state?
> > > > > Personally, I think it looks fine and would be willing to start
> > > > > a
> > vote
> > > on
> > > > > it, but I get the impression that east coast weather has
> > > > > prevented
> > some
> > > > > folk from looking at it, so maybe another couple of days is fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Arshak Navruzyan
> > > > > <arshakn@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Oops, yes of course!  It's editable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Bill Havanki <
> > > > bhavanki@clouderagovt.com
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks Arshak! Can you either allow editing or commenting?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Arshak Navruzyan <
> > > arshakn@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Say no more ...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uR8vhIQcKGA6IEtbbF5D7UL_e6WGtfXMUQ
> > Hp8Fwvg_E/edit?usp=sharing
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Christopher <
> > > ctubbsii@apache.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Perhaps some ambitious volunteer could start
a
> > > > > > > > > collaborative
> > > > draft
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > Accumulo's bylaws in Google Docs or something,
using ZK
> > > > > > > > > as a
> > > > > starting
> > > > > > > > > point. After it stabilizes a bit, we could push
it to
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > project
> > > > > > > > > webpage as a draft and vote on it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Christopher L Tubbs II
> > > > > > > > > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Mike Drob <
> > > madrob@cloudera.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I didn't get that impression from reading
their document.
> > > > While C
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > PMC
> > > > > > > > > > are two distinct roles, there is nothing
stating that
> > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > cannot
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > overlap, and the fact that there is 100%
overlap is
> > entirely
> > > > > > > > orthogonal.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Josh Elser
<
> > > > > josh.elser@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> This would change the existing Committer
== PMC, no?
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> That's the biggest thing I noticed scanning
over the
> > > document.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> On 2/14/14, 1:19 PM, Mike Drob wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>> I think we should have some Bylaws,
as that gives us
> > > > > > > > > >>> more
> > > > > > structure
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >>> operate under.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> I propose that we adopt the ZooKeeper
bylaws,
> > > > > > > > > >>> replacing
> > all
> > > > > > > > references
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >>> ZK with Accumulo.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> http://zookeeper.apache.org/bylaws.html
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> What say ye?
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Mike
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> | - - -
> | Bill Havanki
> | Solutions Architect, Cloudera Government Solutions
> | - - -
>
>

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