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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:33:13 -0700
From: James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Modeling Collections of Collections
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It's from the Atompub spec.  It's part of the Service document format.

- James

Chris Berry wrote:
> I suppose I should know this, but is app:collection an extension to the
> spec??
> http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php
> 
> atomEntry =
>    element atom:entry {
>       atomCommonAttributes,
>       (atomAuthor*
>        & atomCategory*
>        & atomContent?
>        & atomContributor*
>        & atomId
>        & atomLink*
>        & atomPublished?
>        & atomRights?
>        & atomSource?
>        & atomSummary?
>        & atomTitle
>        & atomUpdated
>        & extensionElement*)
>    }
> 
> Thanks,
> -- Chris
> 
> 
> On Sep 24, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Jan Algermissen wrote:
> 
>>
>> On 24.09.2007, at 21:30, James M Snell wrote:
>>
>>> Well, the idea is that there is a one-to-one mapping from an entry to a
>>> collection.  So for each collection you have, you'll have one entry.  I
>>> don't have any suggestions for doing anything else :-)
>>
>> I think that a subcollection is fundamentally different from an entry
>> in a collection and that only the ubiquity of file systems makes us
>> think the two concepts somehow share a common base. IMHO, the
>> existence of a subcollection allways represents an act of
>> categorization and segmentation of the parent collection which is lost
>> if we simply represent subcollections as entries.
>>
>> I have not yet had any time whatsoever to flesh this out, but I
>> suggest an extension element of <feed>, such as <subcollections> and
>> inside that, a normal feed with entries can be used to represent the
>> sub collections. This would preserve the semantic, that the parent
>> collection is segmented.
>>
>> Sorry that this is so vague, but maybe it helps somehow.
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> - James
>>>
>>> Dan Diephouse wrote:
>>>> That seems to work well for one collection. What do you do if you have
>>>> multiple collections? For instance a Customer with a collection of
>>>> purchase orders and a collection of contacts? How might I distinguish
>>>> between these two collections in the entry? Any other wisdom to
>>>> share? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> - Dan
>>>>
>>>> James M Snell wrote:
>>>>> We had this problem in the Lotus Connections Activities component. 
>>>>> Each
>>>>> user has a collection of Activities. Each Activity is itself a
>>>>> Collection.  There is a top level My Activities collection.  Each
>>>>> entry
>>>>> represents an Activity.  Those entries contain an app:collection
>>>>> element
>>>>> that points to the activity collection uri, e.g.
>>>>>
>>>>> <entry>
>>>>>   ...
>>>>>   <app:collection href="...">
>>>>>     <app:accept>application/atom+xml;type=entry</app:accept>
>>>>>     ...
>>>>>   </app:collection>
>>>>>   ...
>>>>> </entry>
>>>>>
>>>>> This approach has worked very well for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> - James
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan Diephouse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am pondering how to model collections of collections with APP
>>>>>> for more
>>>>>> non-blogging oriented applications. For instance, lets say I have a
>>>>>> collection of customers, which have a collection of purchase
>>>>>> orders. I
>>>>>> can easily model the customers as a collection. Each entry
>>>>>> represents a
>>>>>> customer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But then what do I do about the purchase orders? The best solution
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I can come up with is that I have another collection for each
>>>>>> customer.
>>>>>> Each entry in the collection would then be a purchase order. However,
>>>>>> this has two downsides:
>>>>>> 1. There is no great way to go directly from the customer to the
>>>>>> purchase order collection. The best solution I've come up with is
>>>>>> something <link rel="purchase-orders"
>>>>>> href="service/customer-foo/purchase-orders"/>. Not sure if thats a
>>>>>> Good
>>>>>> Thing or not.
>>>>>> 2. Now my workspace has a gazillion customer/purchase order
>>>>>> collections
>>>>>> in it. I probably don't want to list those all out as that would take
>>>>>> forever. The best solution that I've come up with here is to just not
>>>>>> list them and make item #1 be the best way to find the collection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
> 
> S'all good  ---   chriswberry at gmail dot com
> 
> 
> 
> 

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